Ask the Avatar with TV Mohandas Pai on Dharma, the Future of World Religions and More

Ask the Avatar with TV Mohandas Pai on Dharma, the Future of World Religions and More


Swamiji, thank you so much for talking to
me. Is very fascinating to be here. Thank you for being here.
It’s very fascinating to be here, to see so many people who have come to meet you and talk to you. I want to start off this dialogue
by asking you a very simple question – how do all of us find peace and happiness in our
lives? What is the magic that we need to do, to be happy and to be peaceful within? Happiness is actually a alchemy process in
us, independent of any external happening. We are trying constantly, to achieve happiness
in the wrong direction, thinking that only certain permutation, combinations of the external
happening can cause happiness in us. It is like a completely misunderstanding the chemistry.
If A + B is going to be C, and we go on try to add C + D and reach the A, it is never
going to happen. Same way, the alchemy of the happiness, has to be understood as a independent
process than the external happenings and permutation, combinations of the external happiness. This
itself solves almost 80% of the problem. Then, building happiness is a separate profession
we need to do; like making business. ( Oh…) It is unfortunate, we believe just by making
business or building our career or building a relationship, happiness is achieved. No.
It’s a separate alchemy process. Of course, 1000s of times simpler than building a career
and profession. It may be simple, but it is separate process. We need to look in, to the
basic understandings which makes that spiritual alchemy process of happiness happen in us.
Maybe looking into that and following that science, happiness can be developed and developing
happiness can be the first fundamental foundational requirement, even to develop our business
and career and all the other things; because if we develop happiness, peace will be side-effect.
Peace itself is not main effect. Peace will be side effect. That will equip us, to handle
all the things we need to do, to build our career, profession, relationship and all that.
Without building the happiness inside, if we directly start building external things – 1st – Tremendous stress. 2nd – Even after achieving the goal, we suddenly
feel whatever we lost in the path is too much, to reach this result. So that leads to frustration.
I call it – Depression of Success. ( Oh…) Successful, but whatever we gave up, looks
too much of…too much we gave up, to achieve this. After achieving that only we understand,
“I think this may not be that worthy”. So building happiness is an independent science,
alchemy, which every individual need to do, before even beginning the life. If we missed,
at least, now. Swamiji, in our lives, we are subject to so
many external rules. We are told to behave in a particular manner, to live in a particular
manner, to eat in a particular manner. Now do we have command over our own lives? Do
we have the ability and the right to decide, what is good for us, as we seek happiness
and peace in our lives? Whoever does not understand the context is
bound by the rule. Whoever understands the context is empowered by the rule. ( Oh…)
Any rule. Whether it’s a traffic rule or dressing rule or eating rule, any behavior,
any rule, if we do not know the context, why it is formulated, that will be binding us.
If we know, why it is formulated, 2 thing will happen – One – Even while you follow, you will not
feel you are bound. You will not be feeling bound if you stop in the red signal in the
traffic rule if you know the context. While you were following, you will not feel bound. Second – All the grey area will be your freedom. The freedom which comes by knowing the context
is two end – One, even while you are following, you will not be bound. Second, all the grey
area is your freedom. But when we don’t know the context, even while you are following,
we will feel we are a slaves and we do not know the grey area and we do not have the
freedom or command over the grey area. At end of the day, even Powers, is nothing but
knowing the grey area of the Cosmic rules. When we know the context, context of the Cosmic
rules is Dharma, when we know the Dharma, even if you follow the rules, you will not
feel bound and because you know the grey area, you know where to play. Knowing where you
can play and where you need to obey, itself is a Power. Swamiji, you know all of us want power in
our lives, we want control, we want wealth, we want people to listen to us and this need
for power in all human beings, is the root cause of much conflict, because this power
is exhilarating, how do we overcome this need for power within our souls, within our body,
within our lives? See first, when we are not able to handle
ourself, control ourself, when we are not able to come to relationship with ourself,
we are trying to do this to others. For example, when you are not able to handle….when we
are not able to handle ourself, if we are trying to behave like giving up on us, we
will give up on the society. If we are trying to behave like controlling us, we will control
the society. How we feel with ourself, the same way only we will feel with the world.
If somebody is trying to control others and feel, controlling others gives them joy, there
is a deep vacuum in them that they are not able to control themself. So they are struggling
in controlling themself. When we are struggling to control ourself, we will also be struggling
to control the world. If we come to completion with ourselves knowing
clearly, ‘this all can be controlled’. For example my eating habit, sleeping habit,
my digestion, all this can be controlled but my blood circulation, my breathing, all this
cannot be controlled, that is actually good for me. When we know, ‘I myself put something
in automatic gear, for my own benefit’, so this ‘what I put in automatic gear is
not binding me, it is actually some of the responsibilities off from me, which I decided’.
For example, our breathing pattern, our blood circulation, we put all of them into automatic,
by us, it is our decision, we put them into automatic so that we can attend to something
else. End of the day, coming to the Source of everything, Context, and understanding
everything, we are responsible, makes 1000s of things clear. When we start getting complete with ourself,
we will manifest the same completion with others. When we are not able to control ourself,
we will try to control us and control others. When we are not able to control ourself and
we give up on us, we will give up on us and give up on others. Everything, the way we
behave whether in a traffic signal or in our career or in our relationship, everything
finally boils down to – ‘how we cognize us, how we behave with ourselves’. Our idea
about us is the Source from which all this manifest. Even the need for the Power, is
not always going to lead to a completion space or happiness space, we know! ( we know..) We know! ( Yes..we know…) But still! ( we do it…we still we do it…) I should say it’s a blind spot. ( blind spot…) We know our goal is not going to make us feel
the way we want. See we want certain feeling at the end of the goal and we want something
as the goal, even though we know this feeling and that goal is not going to come together,
sometimes we just start travelling….towards any one direction. So I should say, it is
more or less our own blind spots based on our blind spots inside us. Inside us – but Swamiji, we live in a society,
now we have relationships. We are children of a parent, we got friends, we marry, we
are spouses, we have children, we have colleagues, we have Gurus. Now this need to find peace
within. How does it correlate with the need to have relationships, can you let relationships
dominate your life, how should two people deal with each other when they live together,
they are part of a family? With whoever we live, if we are remembering
somebody or seeing somebody more than thrice a day, we are responsible for how they feel
about us. (we are responsible…) Yes! Sure, because they are part of us. See,
when you cognize everything, for example, if you cognize your peace, can you exclude
your spouse and kids and cognize your peace? ( No…) If you cognize your happiness, can you exclude
them and cognize your happiness? ( No…) So if somebody is part of your cognition,
they are part of you. ( We are all together…)
They are part of you…us! ( They are part of us) Us! Whoever is part of you, when you cognize
your fears, can you exclude them and calculate your fears? No. Something happens to them
is also your fear. ( Yes…) When you cognize about your joy, can you exclude
them and cognize? ( No…) So, whoever is part of your fear, your joy,
your pleasure, your pain, everything happening to you, is part of you, so how you feel with
them, you feel about them, how they feel about you, for that you are responsible. Unfortunately,
we always think,” Why should I be responsible for they think about me?” ( Yes…) which is see…you don’t need to be responsible
for the person who goes in the street, passerby. How he feels about you, you are not responsible.
You don’t need to be. ( Yes…) Because he is not part of your life. ( Yes…) But everyone who is part of your life, now
all titles you’ve described: spouse, son, father, daughter, Guru, all these relationships
are not passerby people, people who walk in the street. They are part of your very cognition.
In the cognition if they are part, how can you not be responsible for how they hold you
or perceive you? The biggest blind spot all of us have is whoever is part of our thinking
system….see for example when you visualize what is your joy – whoever is part of them,
part of that visualization, when you visualize what is your fear – whoever is part of that
visualization, when you visualize what is your happiness – whoever is part of that visualization
– we are not even taking responsibility for what they think about us or how they hold
us or how they perceive us! Taking responsibility for everyone who is part of our cognition,
how they feel about us, how they hold us, how they expect us – bringing Completion in
that, means if they are holding us in some way, expecting us to be something – either
you make them understand that expectation is not going to become real or if you are
very sure you are going it into reality, giving it as a commitment and removing the insecurity
from them. This is what I call Completion. Either you remove that expectation. The way
they hold you or you make it as very vocal, oral, clear cut commitment and you stand by
it. This removes, I can say 99% of the incompletions. But Swamiji, why is there conflict in families
between 2 people. ( What I am saying…) Between spouses, why do people break up, don’t live
happily, how to handle conflict and what causes this conflict? Basically, you keep somebody as part of your
cognition, but you are not ready to take the responsibility for how they expect you. See
when….for example when you visualize….when somebody visualizes their joy, if they do
not keep their spouse and children in that joy frame, then they don’t have to be responsible.
If they visualize fear, in that fear frame if something happening to their child, their
spouse, is not there in that frame, then he doesn’t need to bother about what they think
about him or how they hold him. When your joy frame, greed frame, life frames, has all
of them as part of it, then we are responsible for how they hold us, what we stand for them,
what is our commitments and relationships, what is our understandings and said-unsaid
agreements. Not leaving any grey area, with the people who are in your life frame, is
relationship. But Swamiji, this is very fascinating. Then,
how do we relate to the rest of society? ( What I am saying….Yes…) How….What is the
obligation to every creature ( Yes, yes…..) on this Planet, ( So what I am saying…)
and everybody else? Our immediate life frame, whoever is, may
be 25 people for a common man. A bigger family person, may have 100 people in that frame.
When we work with this 100 people or 25 people, people who are in our life frame and bring
completion, we will learn the knack of keeping grey area zero. What is your expectation of
me and what is my commitment to you? what is our relationship? Defining it and living
it, what I call Integrity. When we work with this 100 people, we know very clearly how
to work with the larger group. See the Pindanda, Pindanda is our body. Our
body related, wherever our body moves, this 100 people are the people who are in the part
of the life, where this body moves. If we bring completion with this group then where
our mind moves, means people are influenced by our thought currents, who are trying to
influence our thought currents, we know how to bring completion with them. Then the larger
society. Ultimately the whole Universe is us. If we can master this simple completion
with the Pindanda, means people who are in our cognition. As I said, if you are remembering
thrice, or seeing them thrice a day, they are part of you. They are part of your inner
frame, life frame. Whether your joy, your pain, your bliss, your anxiety, our depression
or our excitement, everything is dependent on them. The people who are in the inner frame,
if we don’t care about them, they can collapse our joy in 2 second. One phone call is enough. ( Yes, yes…that’s true…yes…) Understand. So then we are responsible. Every
human being, should start ironing out the relationships, especially people who are…people
who are in his life frame. In his life frame, this ironing out, this completion, the lowest
grey area, will bring tremendous joy, security in relationships among the Beings. This will
teach an individual, how to be the larger group. But Swamiji, if we have to find inner peace,
we need to be happy and we have so many obligations to everybody, where is the time for ourselves?
( I am telling you…) How do we… How do we reconcile this need to get along in the
life frame, in the personal life frame, in the societal life frame, with our own space
as individual? Happiness is not always about the time. See
now you made the 2 statement – First, you made a statement, Time. Second, you made a
statement, Space. If we are involved with everyone, where is the time? Then you made
a statement – Where is our space? Actually our space is independent of the time. If our
space is evolved, 24 hours we will be happy. ( Oh….) The time we are spending…you see,
you feel the time you are spending on others, where is time for me? Because you do not understand….we do not understand, all so called…all the others are in our frame. ( Oh…) See end
of the day, our whole frame need to be happy for us to be happy, because that is what we
call happiness. It is an extension of our own persona. You see what…when we close our eyes and
visualize what is happiness. We say, “My son will be very happily sitting next to me”,
“ My spouse will be very happily talking to me”, “We will all be there somewhere
in the vacation”, whatever, whatever, you visualize, for that frame to become reality,
you need to work in every person involved in that frame. ( Yes….) So how can you call
that as spending time on others? ( Yes…) End of the day, the frame we are trying to
make it as happiness, we need to take the responsibility for the whole and working on
all the people who are involved in that frame, has to be only addressed as ‘working on
us’ not ‘giving time for others’. ( Ah, okay…) Because see, or we should have a
frame, “I’ll be all alone sitting in Himalayas, alone cave, that is my joy”. If we have
that as a frame, then no problem. ( No problem…) No problem, we don’t need to work on anybody.
We don’t need to bother about anybody’s happiness. What is our frame of happiness?
( we define it…) That we define. So when we define…when we define our happiness,
we have all the people inside, but when we need to work, we think we should…we should
be working only on us not on others, that’s the blind spot. ( That’s the blind spot..)
That’s the blind spot. What is your life frame? So…. Let me…let me….let me be very honest.
With all My integrity, I tell you, when I look in and My joy or My bliss, My bliss life
frame, I do not see, even me in that. ( Oh…) Let me just….let me explain. When I look
in and see, even this body is not in that frame, so what goes on to this body also,
is not going to affect My joy frame. ( Oh…) My joy frame is such a permanent bolted in
My consciousness, all I need is even just a remembrance of My existence, for Me to be
in joy frame. For example, for some years This Body will function, then some years after
that, It may not function, It may stop functioning, but that is no way stopping My joy frame because
even This is not part of My joy frame. ( I understand, yes…) Then you may ask, “Then
what for I am working?” ( Yes…) I am working casually, whoever comes in front of me, I
will try to make them joyful and I will be….I will be working with all my integrity, but
I am not bothered if they don’t become joyful. ( Oh…) Because I don’t feel even This
is inside My life frame. So even This is an extra because even This body is an extra,
all, everyone else is extra. Whenever we work for somebody’s happiness,
who is not in our life frame is Service. If we are working for the people, who are in
our life frame, for their happiness – it is responsibility, duty and if we are not doing
that we are not even being responsible, we are irresponsible. If we are working for the
happiness of the people who are out of our life frame, that is Service. Okay. But Swamiji, there is a another big
question that comes up – Why there is so much of conflict in the world when at the end of
it, Mortality is the only reality in life. We are born and over a period of time, the
body disappears, we go away. But why there is so much conflict? ( I should say….) When
we know that everything ends somewhere. I should say, all conflicts is the blind spots
of the individuals fighting, showing only others blind spots without showing their own
blind spots. For example, there is A and B. A has blind spots. B has blind spots. If A
sees his own blind spots, it will lead to completion. If he sees only the B’s blind
spots, it leads to conflict. All conflict, all conflict is nothing but inability to see
our blind spots and too much of Third eye on other’s blind spots. See when it comes
to seeing other’s blind spots, we use 3 eye, 4 eye, all eyes. When it comes to seeing
our blind spot, we don’t even use 2 eyes. ( 2 eyes…) End of the day all conflicts,
whether it is a conflict in level of the home, “Should we have coffee or tea, should we
have pizza or burger, idli or dosa”, starting from there, “Should we have this party or
that party or this economic policy or that economic policy, capitalism or communism”,
whatever, to that level, everything is nothing but inability to see the individual blind
spot or collective blind spot. For example, if all….for example, I have
a blind spot, that I don’t want to work, but I feel everything exist, it should be
shared to everyone, even though I have not worked for it. So it is individual blind spot.
Many individual who have this same blind spot gather together and start Communism. Many
individuals, who have the same blind spot, they just help each other, support each other,
they feel so comfortable with each other and then they decide, ‘Come on, let’s all
start a group.’ So whether it is a individual level or social
level or the country level or even in the Universal level, or the Cosmic level, every
level we try to take advantage of what we have not earned and we try to keep that as
a blind spot, without looking. That is what leads to conflicts. Whether it is the… it
is available resources or manmade resources like money, the concept of money or the natural
resources like water or land or minerals, whatever, whatever, whatever, end of the day,
not seeing our own blind spot creates incompletion, and not only not completing it, and seeing
other’s blind spot create conflicts and many people of this level ganging up, creates
communism. Swamiji, this raises now….Swamiji, this
raises now another important question – Why are some people so successful and many people
are not so successful? Is it a lack of ambition, lack of energy, lack of self-realization?
Why does success come to….. I should say, there is no Being on the Planet
Earth, which lacks ambition. Ambition is programmed in DNA. ( In the DNA…) DNA. It is responsibility
which need to be cultivated. ( responsibility…) Ambition is animalistic.
Responsibility is human. ( Ambition is animalistic…) Animalistic. By your very existence, you are
ambitious. Only then you can grow from fish to tortoise, tortoise to pig and even that
evolution, even the evolution happens because of ambition. Ambition is in our very DNA.
There is nobody which can say, “I don’t have ambition”. People come and tell me,
“Oh, I don’t want money Swamiji, I am not interested in it”. I said if it comes
in lottery for billion dollar, “Oh, then okay, Swamiji”. Then it means what? I am
not ready to work for money, not that I am not interested in money. ( You have an interest…) So ambition is a nature, animalistic. It is
responsibility that decides success. And if a man…if a person is successful,
what is his obligation to his fellow human beings, to the rest of the world? What I am saying, whoever was in the frame
when he was not successful, whoever was in the frame when he was moving towards successful,
whoever is in the frame after his success, he is obligated to all of them. ( He is obligated to all of them…)
To all of them. It is his duty. ( It is his duty?….) Beyond the frame, it is his service. ( And there is a duty to perform service…) Yes. No, no, I should say, let me be very
straight. Whoever is involved in the frame when he was not successful, when you are working
towards successful, when he is successful, that is his Dharma. He has to be responsible
for all of them in the frame ( Yes, yes…) Beyond that is a Punya. ( It is Punya…) If he goes beyond the frame, and does good
who is not involved in his success, that is punya, that is service. ( is Punya required? Why should we have Punya?..) I should say Hindu tradition expects Punya
also to be a part of the success. ( Punya to be a part of the success…) Part of the success. You see, as the Shastra
Pramana, if I refer to Hindu tradition, Agamas insist on us serving beyond our frame. Agama
insist not only people who are in your frame but it says very clearly, the first responsibility
and priority is people who are in the frame, people who have been part of your life, your
frame, when you were not a success or when you are working for a success or after you
become successful; they only become your first priority. But they recommend always you don’t
stop there because…. when you start taking responsibility for all the people within your
frame you develop an infrastructure and tool for taking responsibility. Let it not be unused after you complete everyone who are in your frame. See even serving you need to develop certain
infrastructure. If you developed it for all the people, who are part of your success,
then after that why should that infrastructure just be keeping quiet? ( Yes…) Wear and
tear. Let it be put for the people who are outside the frame. That is called Punya. So from Shastras, if I go back to Hinduism,
the source of Hinduism, Hinduism insists on Punya. ( On Punya…) On Punya. It insists
you do that. Maybe I should say that Punya keeps lots of people not entering into immoral
and wrong way of hurting the principle on which we built our wealth. For example if
we don’t care about the society at all, who are outside our frame, and they are deprived,
they may not be sitting and waiting for all the Dharma analysis and all that. They will
just come and throw a stone and steal what we have. ( Take away….yes..) So for that
not to happen, this kind of a balance helps in a big way. Then Swamiji what is the role of Dharma in
our life? What is Dharma? How do you define Dharma? And how did it come into being, how
does it exist, how should we look at Dharma in our day to day life, in our extended life? See if I have to give a literal meaning of
the word Dharma, I should say natural law of life, that’s the literal meaning. If
I have to give my interpretation in every level an individual’s Dharma is…. it’s
My interpretation I wanedt to keep these 2 separate. The Shastras definition of Dharma
is natural law of life. That is the literal meaning. If I have to apply that in our day
to day life, in a individual level, the individual’s Dharma is understanding the self, world and
God. That understanding is the first Dharma. With this understanding he starts making decisions
in the world. “How I should behave with people who are near to me, how I should behave
with the people who are far away from me, how I should behave with people who have a
conflict of interest. All this cognitions, decisions, he comes to, based on what he thinks
as himself, and world, and God – Jeeva, Jagat, Ishvara. Understanding this three is
a basic Dharma of an individual. Then the Dharma comes, means, next, next level
– what is our Dharma towards the society, what is our Dharma towards the larger country,
what is our Dharma to our own clan? For examples, doctors. Doctors have Dharma
to the doctor’s clan. Engineers have Dharma to the engineer’s clan. Lawyers have Dharma
to the lawyer’s clan. Entrepreneurs have Dharma to the entrepreneur’s clan. All that
comes next, next, next. But whole this questions, all these understandings of Dharma and questions
related to Dharma, can be answered by one formula – what is the idea I have about me,
what is the idea I have about the world, what is the idea I have about God. Me, playing
temporarily in the world, want to be permanently resting in God is my Dharma, for that how
I should behave with the world, how I should behave with me, how I should behave with God,
should be the scale with which we measure, at every moment how we should behave. Swamiji, we learn in the Epics, that when
Dharma is overtaken by Adharma, Avatars come. We get a new being who comes and restores
the balance. How can this balance differ and become one sided, Adharma getting more than
Dharma, how can it happen when people are in a constant move to live as per Dharma?
Natural evolution happening, to the next, next, next level is the natural law of life. We not allowing that natural evolution in
our day to day life is called Patterns. ( Oh….) For example, naturally in this age this should
be my ambition. When you are young, if you are not liberal we don’t have heart. After
40, still if you are liberal you don’t have brain. No these are all the natural evolutions
should be happening to us. ( Yah, you become conservative…) It should be happening to us. If we are not
letting the natural evolutions happening to us, it is called Patterns. Too many people
are not letting the natural evolution to happen is the Cosmic Pattern. Whenever an individual
is stuck with the individual pattern, to break that pattern and liberate him, Guru appears
in life. Whenever the Universe is stuck with a Universal pattern, to break that and liberate
Universe, an Incarnation appears. Too many people, I should tell you, during
Mahabharata time, too many people are stuck in a pattern called trying to grab without
working for it. ( Trying to grab…) Extreme consumerism. “Anything I see is mine. I
do not need to work for it”. The extreme consumerism was becoming a mainstream thought
current and it was becoming a strong pattern, where the production has dropped more than
90% but the need and the demand and the greed and the grabbing, in any method is becoming
lifestyle. So to break that pattern and reduce the load on the Planet, comes Krishna. If
you see, the whole Mahabharata war, the main thought current, ‘trying to have without
working for it’. ( more and more, trying to get more and more…) Trying to have without taking responsibility
for that. It is not that, who whether Dharmaraja rules or Duryodhana rules, what is there?
But the problem is, Dharmaraja is ready to take the responsibility for the people, he
is ready to set that trend as a model, so many people also follow that model. With Duryodhana,
when he is not ready to set that trend, Krishna knows if Duryodhana becomes a king, Duryodhana
type of people only will become a model. ( Oh…) So breaking the wrong models, setting the
right trend is the Incarnation’s job. Breaking the wrong patterns, setting the right trend,
is the job of an Incarnation. When it becomes too much, for example, one small example I
can give – 100 people are living in a community, 80 people are very responsible, 20 people
are not responsible. We can enjoy their irresponsibility as cuteness. ‘See so cute from morning till
night he just sits eats and sleeps, does not do anything. Okay’. But if that becomes
80, it is no more cute. ( It becomes the majority…) It becomes, not only that, weight. Weight.
So when it becomes weight and even after it becomes weight and they are not ready to change
that pattern, it becomes a strong thought current. Then no other way, either the pattern
or the persons who are not ready to give up that pattern, need to be eliminated. ( Eliminated?…)
Eliminated. That thought current and the model need to be eliminated. Otherwise Planet Earth,
Planet Earth cannot survive. ( So justify violence..) No, no, no, no, please let me
be very clear, let me be clear, come to the very clearly. I should look upon, it should
not be looked upon as violence, it should be looked upon as a surgery. ( Surgery, but who decides?…) Yes that is what, let me look at that. The
outcome of after what happens decides, whether it was a surgery or violence. ( Oh…) After effect of the Krishna, has decided what
Krishna did is a surgery. So it’s only the after effect we can label it, whether it was
a surgery or violence. ( But who decides …?????) No, let me be very clear, in Krishna’s whole
Mahabharata and everything also, he gave enough of long rope. He tried his best. It’s not
that he did not try. He tried his best and even after that see many of those people who
are killed in the war, they themself have openly declared, that it is better to die
than to give up this pattern. ( Oh, yes, they refuse to change….) Whether it is Duryodhana, or Karna, or Bhishma,
or Drona, all of them, what they finally declare, it is better to die because they know there
is death waiting. Death become a better choice for them than transformation. Only they were
eliminated. End of the day, they chose that. When they chose that, how can this be violence? ( This can’t be violence…) I should say, it is more or less mass suicide.
See the whole Akshauhini Sena, including Bhishma, Drona, Karna, everyone who is standing in
Duryodhanas side, all of them known Krishna is an Incarnation. ( And all of them know,
they are in the wrong…) All of them know they are in the wrong side. ( All of them
know the result..) All of them know they can’t win. ( They can’t win…) They can’t win
against Krishna they know. ( Yet why do they do it?…) That means, it is a suicide not violence.
It should be very clear it’s a suicide not violence. End of the day, because all of them
know that they can’t win over the Krishna. You think Bhishma had a courage that he can
win over the Krishna? ( No…) He knows he is going to fall. ( Yes…) and that is why he kept Karna as
a reservation. ( Yes…) He tells Duryodhana, when I fall, you need
a best commander that is why I am keeping Karna. I abused Karna, so he will not pick
up weapon, under me; so you have a safety. See Bhishma abuses Karna. So Karna says I
will not pick up weapon as long as Bhishma is alive. Then Duryodhana, he calls Duryodhana
and tells I am keeping him as your reserve. A reserve for your security. If I am gone
he will be there for you. ( Yes…) So don’t think I have done something wrong. I have
done some good for you. ( Yes…) It means what he knows he’s going to fall. You think
Drona had the confidence that he will not fall in front of Krishna? He was very clear.
But he was very clear ‘I will work because I ate’. So as my integrity to what I ate,
I’ll do it. So end of the day, all of them, it is a suicide. Yes. Swamiji, one big question comes, you
know you spoke about God, why is this feeling in society around the world – my God is better
than your God, and why this conflict about God? Who is this God and what is this God
that so many people say my God is better than your God, your God is a lesser God, somebody
is children are lesser God, and they all fight and throughout human society, more death and
conflicts have occurred because of this fight between Gods, what is this? What is this God? End of the day to tell you honestly, my God
is the supreme, is nothing but saying I am
supreme. I am supreme…God is an alibi See our own ego we project it on God. God
is just our projection. What we want to tell the world, it’ll be too obvious if we tell
directly , I am superior, then immediately he’ll come for a war. I don’t have time
for immediate war. So what to do? How to declare this in a very diplomatic way? In a very diplomatic
way, trying to declare, this is what is, my God is superior. The whole, if you analyze
thoroughly the whole Hindu tradition, the beauty is, the whole, whether it’s Upanishads,
Shaivism, Vaishnavism, or the Shakta, or Ganapatya, all the Sampradayas and Paramaparas, they
give importance to Ishta Nishta, means your God is the ultimate, and from that all the
energies come out, but you do not have any right to disturb somebody else feeling their
Ishta is the highest. The Ishta Nishta is never allowed to become fanaticism. See the Ishta Nishta, for example, if it is
a Shiva temple, Shiva will be ultimate. All the believers of Shiva will be worshiping
him and no doubt. In Jagannath temple, Shiva is the guardian. ( Guardian…Yes, yes.) Yes,
if you see Brahma and Shiva both of them stand outside as guardian. In Tiruvanamalai temple
Brahma searches the Shiva’s head and Vishnu searches the Shiva’s feet. The Ishta Nishta
and the universality of the supreme principle both co-existed in Hindu Sampradayas. If you
see our Ishta Nishta was never allowed to become fanaticism. I should, if I go into
more details and Shastra Pramanas, it is very clearly declared, you have all the right to
see your Ishta as the source of all the Gods and Goddesses, but you do not have a right
to put this as the ultimate truth on others. ( On others…So it is very individualistic…) It is very clear. No, we call it subjective
truth. ( subjective truth…) It’s a truth for the subject. It’s a subjective
truth. and ultimately all Sampradayas including Shaiva, Vaishnava, Shakta, all Sampradayas
agree Divine is beyond any forms. It is for our devotion he assumes the form, like a water
has no solid form but when the cool breeze happens on the water it takes the shape of
ice. So our devotion gives this form. Behind this the source has no form. Source is beyond
form, our devotion gives this form. Even the greatest devotee knows the form with which
he is worshipping will lose its form when he loses his form. See, as long as I have
this form, I need a form, so I relate with it. At one point both the forms will merge
into the source. We called this Jnanavarishta Bhakti. If you see even a common villager
in Hindu tradition will have this Jnanavarishta Bhakti. If you see this you will see in his
house many Gods in his puja room. I should say the future of the humanity is not for
one God religions, it is for either many God or all God religions. All God religions, so there will be no conflict…) Not only there can be no conflict, there can
be even understanding, higher understandings evolving. Not only no conflicts there is something
called higher understandings, means, each of the God is infinitely powerful, potential,
and this infinity is not bound by only one. Infinite infinities. See, even the one God
religions also accept infinity of that one God, infinity of the one God is a mentally
retarded theory. How can infinity be only one? ( Infinite…..) So oneness only can
be infinity, not one. ( Yes…) So infinity of one is a self-conflict mentally retarded
theory. What I am saying, infinity is the peak conception, visualization, fantasy of
logic, length. When somebody’s logic is very, very deep and broad the highest he can
grasp is infinity. Unfortunately his whole energy sucked by the intellect, he has grasped
the infinity but his heart is left with no energy that is why he did not grasp the infinity
is infinity, not one. ( Not one…) When we don’t have heart only head, we consume infinity
only one. When we have enough head and enough heart, we understand infinity infinity. But Swamiji it raises the very important question
– Is there a God at all? Or we have created a God just to be happy, to find certainty
in our lives? For example, surely there is a higher independent
intelligence, intelligence which generates, operates, destroys, deludes, liberates. There
is the independent intelligent force, no doubt. Sure. Independent intelligent force available,
no doubt. The many ideas of Gods with which we play, those ideas may be created by us
and we are playing with it. God exists, not as we define it. ( God exists, but not as
we define…) But not as we define it. But it is such a concept, is very difficult
for a human mind to understand, we all want to see something…. No I should say, I should say, it is very
easy for human mind to understand, very difficult for the people who have not yet evolved to
be a human being but in the human frame to understand. Does Avatar have a God? or is Avatar a manifestation
of God?… I should say Avatar is the Vyakta component
means manifest component of the unmanifest God. ( the unmanifest God…) See, Avatar
is the statement of God. God is the state of Avatar. Explain to us Swamiji…. Avatar is the statement of God, manifest of
unmanifest. God is the unmanifest of the manifest. Essentially saying that there is a force above
us which is all pervading…. Yes, there is a force. I should say not above
us, above us. The above us gives a different context, above us means, you see what
is unmanifest in all of us. I should say not even this, it is this way or this way. ( That
means everywhere, it is everything…) It is, when I say above us, it becomes like this
or I should say the air we are all breathing, the space we are all in, has independent life.
The source of that life is God. There is a source and it is intelligence. It is not just
power, automated mechanism or automatic mass software, like how they try to show in the
matrix movie, no. It is not a large automated matrix, no. It is an independent intelligence
which can make decisions, which can intervene. ( very large decisions…) What I am saying
not only large decisions, it can make the decisions as big as moving the Planet Earth
closer to Sun or far away to Sun and it can make decisions as simple as removing one small
rudraksha from this bead. It is capable of micro management and macro management. If it’s capable of micromanagement, what
is our role as human beings? Are we all kutputlis…. are we all puppets, in a big puppet show where
somebody’s doing a superior power or do we have a right to decide and do things for
ourselves? Aah yes, now let me, first of all, even in
puppet show, puppet is not completely controlled. ( Puppet is not controlled…) Yes! The bit
in the puppet show, if it is a 8 bit only the 8 bit is controlled, not this bit, not
this bit. Even in puppet show puppets are not completely controlled. So in our life
also we are not completely controlled and we are not completely free. There is certain
amount, where we have a freedom. For example everything affects our life we have a freedom
to decide. Full freedom. Everything affects others life we do not have a freedom because
others goodness is involved in it. ( So everything that affects everybody, we don’t have the
freedom…) We don’t have freedom. Everything affects our life if you sit and list out those
things, all of them we have a complete control, complete freedom. It’s like, cow is tied with a 2 rope 2 meter
rope length. Within that 2 meter he can sit, stand, cross, do whatever he wants. Within
that 2 meter length if he behaves properly the rope can become 10 meter or liberated
once for all. So within the 2 meter how he behaves, decides the length of the rope or
the liberation. Same way, we are all empowered with certain freedom. Within that freedom
how much of responsibility with which we behave that decides whether our freedom length is
going to increase or decrease or once for all free. When somebody establishes his track
record his freedom is only going to do good to others, suddenly you will see he is completely
free. All the resources are at his disposal. ( Everything comes to him…)
Everything comes to him. All the things are under his disposal. And there is no…. he doesn’t feel suffocated by not having money,
time, intelligence, energy, resources, anything which he wants to achieve. I am seeing very
clearly, I tell you from My own experience. Whatever I want to do, I am seeing very clearly,
everything automatically aligns. I just have to see and enjoy the whole fun. If a power
is manifesting in This Body I am already seeing the structure to reach this power to the world
also gets assembled. Along with this manifestation that structure also manifests. So I am very
clear, there is a very powerful intelligence operating and that does not mean I am sleeping.
I am participating actively only to enjoy. Only to enjoy that. Swamiji, so many people
are listening to you, they came here to talk to you, what is motivating them, what is compelling
them to come here? What is attracting them to come here? What is making them come thousands
of km from all over the world? Don’t you think it is reasonable to ask
this question to them and then to me? You understand? This question I think they should
answer. What are the core values of Sanatana Dharma?
Sanatana Dharma is an open architecture like the Balaji says it’s not a closed proprietary
system, it’s an open architecture and being an open architecture it is got multiple manifestation,
multiple interpretation, multiple use and nobody yet knows what it is. Yet it sustains,
it promotes, it liberates it goes on and is almost eternal. So what are the core values
of this Sanatana Dharma? If I have to put the whole thing in nutshell,
the essence of Sanatana Hindu Dharma. See, we all accept the Vedas are the introductory
literature of Sanatana Dharma. If I have to talk from the context of the Vedas, the Shastra
Pramana, I should say basic conflict free, exciting, blissful life, with the understanding
of Jeeva, Ishwara, Jagat is Sanatana Hindu Dharma. Conflict free exciting blissful life
with understanding of Self, World, God, Jeeva, Jagat, Ishwara. With this understanding living
blissfully is Sanatana Hindu Dharma. Actually conflict free and blissful is one and the
same, I should say. Blissful life with understanding of these three is what I call Sanatana Hindu
Dharma. Now comes the supplementary answers like the Karma theory. What is actually Karma theory? Karma theory
is nothing but establishing a right cognition between us and the World and the God. What is end of the day, reincarnation theory?
Establishing the right cognition about us, World and the God. All the core values of Sanatana Hindu Dharma,
whether it is Ahimsa or Satya or Asteya or Aparigraha, yoga, kriya, everything if you
see, it boils down to this one core bringing understanding between Jeeva, Ishvara, Jagat
and bringing bliss between these three. Bringing bliss with this understanding of these three
is the essence of Sanatana Hindu Dharma. Living happily with Jagat, with Ishwara, is all Sanatana
Hindu Dharma. Swamiji, does it mean that a simple person
who’s got a simple let’s say view of life and a highly evolved person who’s got a
very different view of life, all of them can live happily within the same context, or we
have to find our own self- realization to be truly happen? Is ignorance also happiness? One thing, one thing, you see….. no see,
ignorance is happiness as long as it is not hit. For example,
( As long as it is ? As long as it is not hit. Let me give you
an example. In India many of the compounders become doctors; like if they work with a doctor
for 5 years they see, ‘Oh stomach pain, yellow tablet. Knee pain, green tablet and
headache, black tablet.’ He will be a successful doctor as long as the pharmaceutical companies
don’t change the color. Ignorance is bliss as long as the context does not changed. ( If the context becomes complex, you get
stuck…) So ignorance is bliss if you don’t change
your city, if you don’t change your street, if you don’t change your life in any way,
same people, and people also don’t change. ( But things change…) Then ignorance cannot be bliss. So the so
called simplicity cuteness associated with the simplicity cannot be the permanent solution. ( Human beings have a higher role…)
See, the simplicity which comes even after the higher evolvement is called Integrity. So integrity is the solution, not the simplicity,
because simplicity is more or less like a compounder becoming doctor. ( So are you saying that you must go above
an animal existence to find the true meaning of existence as human beings, because we have
a mind….) Yes, we should evolve higher than the mind.
( Higher than the mind…) Higher than the mind, I call it completion. Completion, where
our depth radiates what we are independent and irrelevant to the mood swings we go through.
Our core stands by what we are independent of the mood swings we go through. Whether
up or down mood swings come or go, good or bad, right or wrong, accepted or rejected,
whatever ,whatever, whatever, the core depth standing to its integrity and constantly ready
to evolve only in the line of integrity; not by this ups and downs. If this ups and downs
starts guiding, the person is called Powerless. If his integrity is only his guiding force,
he is called powerful. Why do you have a limited life, is it the
body by necessity has a limited life? Body or whatever I am using has no limited
life. I am seeing very clearly, for example This Body is going to be operating, functioning,
for 126 years. ( 126 years…) Yes 126 years, I am going to be using this
body. I am very clear within that 126 years, I would have established the concept on at
least a million bodies, after that I may not need this one body to be continuously functioning. ( You live in a million bodies…) At least 1 million bodies, see I am a concept
using This Body and manifesting. At least 1 million bodies this concept will be using
to manifest itself. Then I may not need just This One Body to be continuing to operate,
so let This rest; Good Friend, helped me to reach out to million people. Rest in peace. Okay Swamiji, let me raise a very large issue.
The world is suffering from lack of sustainability, the world is suffering from an overdose of
prosperity in some areas. There is terrorism around the world. Now what can Sanatana Dharma
offer the world to restore balance, make the world much more sustainable. What is the message
or meaning that Sanatana Dharma can give? Let me look at from the prism of Shastra,
this whole happening. You raised two major issues. Yes. Over prosperity and terrorism.
Yes. When we try to suck the nature more than we
need, call that accumulation as a prosperity is not prosperity; it’s a dead load. Grains
should be grown and eaten, cannot be stored for next 25 years. If we are planning for
storing it for next 25 years, our agriculture is also wrong and the storing method also
will be wrong and the quality of the grains will be wrong. This whole thing, terrorism
instigated insecurity, insecurity instigated sucking of the Planet Earth, this whole cycle,
ultimately boils down to just two. One – the basic Hindu truth, let us all coexist. Let me give you the original, exact verse.
The creation is described our Shastras. When Sadashiva, the Cosmic Oneness, when he decided
to become many, the principle he declares to himself, the only commandment is, ‘let
us all coexist together’ and ‘abhayam sarva bhutebhyo’ – let us all be protection
for all of us, all of us. Let us all protection for all of us. This abhayam sarva bhutebhyo,
if you see the whole concept – ‘let us all be protection to all of us’. So the basic
commandment – ‘let us coexist’, ‘let us all be protection to all of us’, because
the moment there is two there will be conflict. So during the conflict that methodology for
conflict resolution is protection for all of us together. Yes. Not exclusion. The problem
is now everyone wants to make the world peaceful but excluding the people who are not accepting
their ideas. Say it again.
Everyone want to make the world peaceful but excluding the people who are not accepting their idea of peace. So excluding them how can it be peaceful? So excluding somebody else’s idea of peace
cannot be the conflict resolution methodology. For any conflict resolution the basic commandment
is – let us all coexist and let us all be protection for all of us together. Means abhayam
sarva bhutebhyo. Abhayam sarva bhutebhyo does not mean I give protection to all, we give
protection to all for all of us together. ( We are all bound together..)
We are all the relationship between all of us, the integrity between all of us, is protection for all of us. Swamiji, how do we live with nature without
over exploitation so that climate change does not take place, you know all creatures on
this planet have a right to survive and we don’t destroy them. How do we make this
happen along with material prosperity? Our body is designed for what type of food,
eat that food. Our body is designed for what type of clothes, use that clothes. If we go
for organic, when I say organic, I mean the natural flow of existence. The fur is needed
for that animal. Surely not for us; if we need God would have provided that. He would
have provided that for us. Animal protein is for that animal, not for us. If we needed
it He would have provided for us. What for we are created, if we go to the core and go
with the flow of our core, the life will be best. Going with the flow of our organism
is what I call organic. Whether in a food or lifestyle or furnitures or the clothes
we use or the gadgets we use or the items we use, in everything, going with our organism,
our body is not mechanism. Its allopathy which declares this as a mechanism. Ayurveda declares
this as organism. Going with the flow of this organism is what I call Vedic lifestyle, Charya.
This lifestyle is the solution and also I want to tell at least at present situation
it is an impractical solution, I know. But… move towards that… move towards that… that is also a long term
solution. But, we can do one thing, even small, small responsible individuals thought, creating
a model, the models can become any time models and tip the point. Actually, we always think
how can the model change the society? But till now if you see all big changes happened
from the model. See, it is a model as long as only few people think it’s a model. If
few more people start understanding it, it’s a discovery. If few lakhs of people start
understanding it, it’s a lifestyle. Swamiji, what is your message to world leaders
on sustainability and this violence, I mean what would you tell them to do as the two
important things? If somebody listens I will tell them these
two. At least you change your life to this organic way and be bold to tell the world
you are living this way. Always all leaders lead more people by the subtle power than
the hard power. By the soft power than the hard power. I have seen hard power decisions
are always overturned when that leader goes away, but the soft power influence he created
never goes away, even after the leader goes away. I will naturally ask any leader who
listen to me, make this as your soft power influence. It is a soft power influence leads
larger impact. For example, if something is made as a hard power rule like a political
rule, law by Obama, Trump will overturn it. If something has been lived by somebody as
a soft power and created an ambiance, ecology, influence, a spiritual or the atmosphere or
the conceptual infrastructure; if that is the way it was presented, nobody can influence
and change it, overturn it. If we are looking for a permanent solution, it has to be soft
power. It has to be soft power. Swamiji, what is the role of Gurus in our
lives and in Sanatana Dharma? What is the role of the guru? Why can’t all of us become
gurus? Except we won’t have followers? No, I tell you, making yourself as a follower
for you, is the first job of Guru. Making yourself as your follower is the first job
of Guru. Only who made himself as his follower can be a Guru to make others follow him, because
nobody is a fool, everybody goes to the depth and analyzes Guru. Actually they analyze Guru
100 times more than they can analyze themselves. No, I tell people, see only when they analyze
them they use two eyes or lesser, when they analyze Guru they use 1000 eyes. And basically
I am telling you, Guru is the most scrutinized person. First if you do not have a blind spot,
you can be Guru of you. And if you are able to help others to find their blind spot, you
can be Guru of them. Basically the job of the Guru is nothing but helping every individual
to manifest their ultimate reality. And a Guru is needed… I should say without Guru also, you can manifest
which takes few thousand births and deaths. See, can you say without GPS can I reach America?
You can, Takes a long time.
Sometimes you may not even, may not even make it. So GPS – Guru Positioning System – makes journey easy, joyful, and certain; certain
kind of a certainty. Because, when you see somebody swimming, beyond logic you are convinced
you can swim. When he can swim why not me? Then you start taking the steps for it. So
surely GPS helps; makes it easy. Swamiji, how should followers of Sanatana
Dharma protect Sanatana Dharma? Sanatana Dharma now is, some people are trying to work against
Sanatana Dharma because Sanatana Dharma is an open architecture is an open system. People
have one close system. How should followers of Sanatana Dharma who believe in transparency,
in openness, in the freedom of the mind, in the right to decide for yourself, protect
the legacy and Sanatana Dharma so that it sustains for itself? Two things. All closed theologies need to
be marketed, promoted, converted, forced, enforced. All open architectural system need
to be consumed to is preserved. They need people to be converted. They need to market
to keep themself alive and active. We need to be consumed to keep ourself alive and active.
They need converted people, followers. We need more consumers. All we need is people
who are enjoying it. This tradition is alive, kept alive, not by marketing, not by conversion,
to tell you honestly most of the Hindu Gurus do not even know the ritual to convert somebody
to Hinduism and many of them believe there is no such ritual. Actually in Agama there is a ritual for anybody
to accept Sanatana Hindu Dharma but it is not that popular. Leave all that. The Hindu
tradition was never kept alive by marketing or conversion or any of it. It is kept alive
by the people who are consuming, enjoying, celebrating. We need more and more people
to consume, enjoy, celebrate. I tell you after the IT revolution, internet revolution, the
information, open source, all the informations have become open.
I tell you the new modern mind evolving, only Hinduism is going to survive. I am telling you because this mind is going to scrutinize
everything, question everything. Now the freedom is such 6 months you can be male, 6 months
you can become female! Everything has evolved. So people are looking for choices, people
are exploring all choices. In next few years I am looking at the whole thing. When somebody
becomes 18, he can decide his language, his country, his career, his gender. Why not his
religion? Naturally the new generation is going to choose a religion which gives him
enough of choices with depth; enough of choices with depth. And good or bad, right or wrong,
fortunately unfortunately, only Sanatana Hindu Dharma has that capacity. It can give you
choices and depth. It can give you choices without compromising on depth. On depth. Without
compromising on depth giving choices, that is naturally going to be the, see why we go
to mall? Choices….. and the depth is not compromised, the quality is not compromised.
So, the same quality. Only Sanatana Dharma is a spiritual mall. Sanatana Hindu Dharma
is a spiritual mall. That is ……….
You can give any name, you can give any name, you can give any name, but Sanatana Dharma
is a spiritual mall; multiple choices without compromising on depth and quality.
So are you saying open system, open source will dominate the world against closed proprietary systems? Yes. Not only open system is going to dominate,
I tell you, closed systems are going to be rejected by the consumers. Fortunately, the
whole world is now consumers, they are no more even citizens. They have become consumers.
See the world…. which is the largest city in the world where the largest number of people
are living…. internet. 2 billion people are living on it at any given time. So the
whole world is…… they are not followers of certain religion, they are not citizens
of certain country. See the citizen belongs to certain language, belongs to certain caste,
belongs to certain gender, all these have become smaller part of their identity. Consumerism
is the largest part of their identity. Every man’s action, how his actions are inspired,
his thinking is inspired, if you go to the depth…. see if you do the depth post mortem
of somebody, 2% of his actions are forced, pressurized by what he feels as his religion,
2% is influenced by what he feels as his language, 3% is influenced by what he feels as his age.
If you analyze, do the post mortem, the largest percent of his actions and thought currents
are influenced by being a consumer. What is good for me, what should be my actions to
make me better? The consumeristic idea. So that has become the largest driving force
of the human being. That is why I am saying only Hinduism has a future. The consumeristic
brain, only if were able to cater to them, we have a future. Any ideology, any theology
which can stand the demands of the consumeristic brain, only that is going to be the future
ideology and theology. That is going to be Agamas and Hinduism. ( that is fascinating Swamiji.. that is very
fascinating…) You will see, because, it is not that Hinduism
does not have rules. It very clearly says, rules is only when you are not able to handle
yourself. For example, you are not able to wake up in the morning and do yoga. Then a
rule comes – you have to do cold water bath in the morning and do yoga. But once you start
enjoying yoga, the rule is not there anymore for you, then you are given the context maintain
your breath this long, blood pressure this much, and this should be your the way of your
bowels functioning, this is all is health, you continue. Then nothing comes; after that
no rules. You are given the context and you can manage that with your breathing, with
your exercise, when you want, what you want to do. So the Vidhi Nisheda, is given only
when you are not able to handle yourself. The moment you are able to handle yourself,
you are given Jnana and given freedom. Charya, lifestyle is only in the initial, then you
are given Vidya, Jnana, and given freedom. The religions which work in this fashion only
has a future. And if any religion wants to survive the consumeristic brain of the new
generation, please come and adopt the structure of Hinduism.
( an open architecture…) And I am also seeing many of the liberal groups
from other religions are slowly absorbing our style. See… by conversion, by promoting
something being marketed, all is old style… till the Second World War. There is not going
to be a third world war, we are very sure. When we are very sure there is not going to
be a third world war, the religions spread by marketing, conversion, cohesion all that
has no future; because their infrastructure for spreading is no more useful for human
society. And the infrastructure we built for generations, 60 thousand years for our survival
is becoming now useful and that is what is being consumed by left and right. So the future
demand and the infrastructure we built are fortunately matching. That is why I am saying
only we have future. See, for example, even an initial level guy,
my Brahmachari can sit and do Vaakyartha Sadas. Vaakyartha Sadas means convincing the consumeristic
brain that this is the best technology and software to adopt to run your life. What is
religion? Best software to run your life. Software for Being is religion. Software for
the Being. So even my Brahmachari can convince any Being, this is the best software available.
See, if other closed sources or windows 1, this is not even Windows, it is a door!
Understand now human beings need convincing and adopting. When they adopt and see the Sakshi Pramana. This was the infrastructure
we were building for 60000 years. We did not build big, big weapons to convert people.
Fortunately… it is like a suddenly overnight the alternative for petrol is discovered,
all the roads are now waste, all the petrol vehicles are waste. Suddenly we have invented
a method … you wear something like a shoe and you raise yourself 300 feet and walk and
reach where you want, what will happen to whole petroleum and car industry? And the
roads? Redundant Not only redundant, all the years they spent
in that is waste; R&D, everything is waste. That is why I am saying, the religions which
evolved a systematic theology, books, beliefs; even all these are infrastructure. See when
certain beliefs are given down the generations, it becomes a bio-memory of that group. So,
all the religions built their spreading and marketing on weapons, wars, killing, whatever
names they may give, all that, now they are redundant because that system is no more consumed
by people. So what is going to be consumed by people
is Vakyartha Sadas type of marketing. Means understanding and discussion and debate; that
kind of a marketing. And in argument we find out who is right in debate we find out what
is right. So Hinduism is based on debate – Vakyartha Sadas, not who is right but what is right.
So our whole infrastructure is built for this kind of a people. Fortunately, the product
we developed is picking up the market. It is not that we made it. To tell you honestly – (It was there) No, no, no, for example this consumeristic
brain of the New Generation is not created by Hindus. But fortunately the evolution has
led to that and only we have the product to supply for this at the right time. Swamiji another question for all of us because
we have discussed the purpose of life, the meaning of life, how to find peace, the role
of Dharma, how Sanatana Dharma can make a better world for all of us. Now for businessmen,
business executives, what is your message to be successful? They have to face competition,
there is globalization impact in them, and like you said consumers want greater choice,
so the product life cycle comes down. With all this happening what do you think, how
can businessmen be successful? What is your message to them? Basically, competition, then value addition,
then Dharma – means our ethics. Whether in the level of competition or in the level of
value addition or in the level of Dharma, in every level I see one point can be stable
and make yourself current. See, there are some concepts very stable, eternal but it
cannot be current. There are some concepts which are current but they do not have the
eternal, eternity support. There is one concept which is eternal and can be current, means,
it is as old as Sun, as new as sunrise. ( as old as Sun and as new as sunrise! And
what is that? ) Responsibility established on Oneness. When
we look at the life, whether creating the product, or marketing the product, or facing
the competitors…. See facing the competitors is nothing but
the job of Kshatriya. Value addition is job of the Vaishya.
This two, if it is designed with the context of Brahmana, Dharma is established. Now what I am talking is more like a theory,
more like a lines. If I have to get down to every situation, the basic thing, see, pharmaceutical
companies when they started developing the chemical based medicines, they were not cunning.
They were not criminal, it was all with the good motive, very good intention. But when
the huge marketing infrastructure is established and they do not have enough product to supply
and sustain the marketing infrastructure, now they are forced to retain their marketing
infrastructure. So then morality and the need is compromised. So this is what I call bending
the context of a Brahmana. If the Brahmana’s context is not bent and
if they take the brunt of…. we don’t have enough product to supply to maintain this
marketing infrastructure, it might have been a hit for them in one year. But if the context
of integrity is kept the further Research and Development could have happened. If we
compromise on the quality to maintain the infrastructure further R&D is not required.
Cheating is enough to keep us alive. If we don’t compromise on the Brahminical Dharma,
the context, this two, competition and this value addition, these two will not kill each
other. The competition kills the value addition without making innovation possible. If the
competition is maintained, faced, with the responsibility of the value addition, innovation
happens. And that’s the rule for success Rule for success. And I tell you, anywhere,
when we are hit with the reports ‘its collapsing, our marketing infrastructure is not able to
sustain the income which is coming’, if we are hit, the reaction comes as a cheating.
Less reaction more action. So the leaders need to be more acting less reacting. Then
the decisions will always be without compromising the context of Brahminical principles – Dharma
and the competition will not kill the value addition Swamiji you spoke about Punya. How does Punya
and business and Dharma go together? Is making profit Punya? I should say, if we are not allowing the competition
to kill the value addition that is Punya. Making profit without letting the competition
kill the value addition, without letting Vaishya kill Kshatriya, anything you make you are
a Brahmana. It all boils down to competition not becoming cunning and destroying value
addition. Value addition if as long as it is kept alive, all profit you make is Punya.
All profit you make is Punya. One more thing, so Apple, all the huge profits of Apple is
a Punya because it’s based on innovation, competition, good products. I should say 100% punya. For example this
chair, to make this chair it may take 100 rupee but I have all the right to sell this
chair even for 10 lakh rupee, saying I sat on this. It is a value addition. Because you
see, value is only based on what people want. Understand. It is not what all the ingredients
put in that. What all the ingredients put in that and what comes is output; that is
not value. Output is different, value is different. Value is dependent on the people who want
it. If it is output may be 100 rupee. So when we fix the value we are not… see value no
way compromises our integrity. For example, if I say I sat on it and fix the cost as 1
lakh and if I have not sat on it then it is wrong. Then it is lack of Integrity. So anywhere
if integrity is maintained to the word and spirit, everything comes is a Punya, everything
comes is a Puny And Swamiji, what is the obligation of business
leaders to society? Today leaders of society could be from business, could be from politics,
could be from other areas; but I am talking only about business. What is the obligation
of business leaders to the society at large? See if you use the word obligation, obligation
means, ( Our responsibility ) If you use the word obligation I will answer
not compromising on the value addition, means competition not killing the value addition
is the obligation. Responsibility is all the stress you receive feedback you receive pressure
you receive should be directed towards innovation. That is responsibility. Obligation is competition
and the survival threats not killing value addition is Obligation. And all the survival
threads are converted and manifested as innovation is Responsibility. When a pattern hits us,
completion is obligation. Converting that into power is responsibility. Then final question, how do you see our future?
How do you see our society? You think the future is going to be much, much better than
today and yesterday. Do you see a very bright future for our children? Fortunately, I am seeing a bright future for
children because all the established ruling MNC structures are losing power over individuals.
No, no, please understand. See, all multinational company power structures, MNCs are losing
power over the people. The individual consumer’s taste is driving humanity. One great thing
is, by the very structure, the individual consumeristic nature will only go towards
good better best. Whether it is a cup of coffee we drink or the thought current we cherish
while we drink the coffee or the ideologies we cherish for our life, or the belief systems
we cherish about life, in every level, making a product in one corner and bulldozing it
and selling it all over the world through the franchise selling centers, marketing centers,
that structure is failing, collapsing. It is collapsing. Whether it is a food level
or cloth level or ideology level, in all levels this system is collapsing. Indigenous food
style, indigenous clothing style, indigenous thought current religions are gaining power
because of consumeristic brain and consumeristic new generation. A consumeristic new generation
is not going to be satisfied by the marketed products or ideologies or theory. One fortunate thing is, even in the media,
the mainstream media is losing power over the people. A corporate media house which
is established infrastructure, need to compromise on Truth to retain their establishment and
infrastructure is losing power over the social media guy who has only one iPhone and who
is able to put anything he want in his Blog, in his Facebook, is more trusted, consumed
by people than the established media houses. See the whole thing turning. I am not talking
some theories. And is it a turn for the better? Surely this turn is…. now it’s a fluttering
period, now it is a settling period; but for future this is best. ( And who are going to be the winners? consumers?…) Winners are going to be the consumers and
the people who are supplying the best thing; who are able to stand the competition without
compromising the value addition with the truth of the context. Sanatana Hindu Dharma. Thank you very much Swamiji. I think this
has been a very fascinating two hrs. Thank you very much, thank you very much. Thank you. So end of the discussion, this
is the conclusion I wanted to share with you all, SANATANA HINDU DHARMA IS REAL AND THAT
ONLY HAS FUTURE. Thank you all.

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  1. cosmic bliss,blessed to be in swamiji's fold,applied spiritual truth in daily life,unfolding from swamij's realm . nithyanandam,

  2. this all talk is just a drop from real treasury. But this drop reallly has all vitamins to grow a nonliving into reality worthwhile living …. such a great talk… sorry GREAT SPACE of swami ji

  3. We need to protect the Dharma otherwise other religions will take our methods and not credit it to Sanatan Hindu Dharma.

  4. such insights made simple, how blessed we are to have someone who makes the truths so easily accesible to us? 🙂 <3

  5. Just Swamji's presence and divine energy is an epic eventful miracle! Also, reminding us to be oneness with everyone and everything in our reality. We are so blessed to receive these ultimate teachings! This interview is a truly holy moment <333

  6. Seek thy first the Kingdom of Goddl, and all the things shall be added unto you! Nithyanandam! Commenting first 5 min. of watching

  7. This is an amazing video! Swamiji is ingeniously supreme, i had soooooo many clicks, what crystal clear words that are able to reset the worn out mind! Listening to it brings bliss to my entire system, I soooo resonate with everything He explained! He is a Master of speech – King of the world! I love Swamijjiiiiii!

  8. Everything that happens finally brings about liberation when the timing is right! Even the devil serves Goddl! Victory to ONENESS!

  9. Shri Mohandas Pai did a great job of asking questions to Swami ji, people like him who have experienced power in an organisation like Infosys only really deserve to interview His holiness Swamiji.

  10. Did he just say that a certain sector of society should be encouraged to commit suicide because they are irresponsible and relying on others to take care of them? Did I hear him correctly?

  11. Swamiji es la persona con la que yo he aprendido y entendido las más importantes , de las más importantes lecciones ..muchas , muchas lecciones nuevas continuamente aprendo , continúo aprendizaje todos los días ..todos los días son los mejores días con Swamiji y sus enseñanzas.. he aprendido con el , como vivir en continua alegría , llegar a estados de dicha etc ..Siempre gracias , tengo el mejor Maestro y una vida en la que me siento en absoluto amor y unicidad . MUCHAS GRACIAS ..Bendiciones a todos .

  12. HE ASKED SUCH QUESTION WAS TO SMALL BUT THE ANSWER  WAS  REAVIEDTHROUGH SWAMIJI MOUTHTHE ANSWER WEAR NOT TOO SMALLTHE WAS LIKE EACH AND EVERY EXPERIENCE FROM SWAMIJI HIMSELF IT WAS LIKE THAT

  13. Swamiji! When you speak it is as if the being is just waiting to hear these words and feeling so fulfilled. Only Sadashiva Himself can give these beautiful, clear, utterly brilliant answers. Thank you so much! Waiting for more and more!

  14. Thank you Swamiji 🙏 such clarity. Great interview. I love Swamiji's genuineness. I love the way he's so funny. Thank you Swamiji for these beautiful life lessons. 🙏

  15. correct and what do you think of the arrogant western misinterpretation by western new agers of Kali, who can't accept the Hindu concept of Kali being the violent destroyer of demons, but say she's the "destroyer of ego"? As I already said, it's arrogant because this interpretation they projected onto Kali, is based on their judgement about the basic emotion anger. They and their longstanding abrahamic background can not fathom the idea that certain forms of violence (to destroy evil) is actually good and linked to spirituality, so they think Kali must have a "deeper meaning" and must mean the destroyer of ego (another concept they love to judge, so it must be "good" to destroy the ego). This is extremely arrogant because they reject who Kali truly is based on this judgement and holier-than-thou attitude that is behind the interpretation they chose to put over the true Hindu meaning, thereby also judging it as 'too simplistic or low' for their taste. They shouldnt be allowed to enter a Kali temple really.

  16. What a talk!! Hearing the answers in its best form of Truth from an Avatar?! When I hear Swamiji & know what he is up to I know the World will look different. <3

  17. Swamiji beautifully replies with a naughty tinkle when he is asked " What is your life frame " by Mohandas. So Swamiji says with all my integrity When I look at my life frame I dont even see ME in it .Not even this body is going to affect my joy frame. My Joy frame is such a permanent bolted in my consciousness- "……Unquote swamiji …..WOW what a space this is to have – I can only pray for this to b my space and all beings space

  18. ABHAYAM SARVA BHUTEBHYU- THE INTEGRITY BETWEEN ALL OF US IS WE GIVE PROTECTION TO ALL OF US- NEVER WAS THIS TOLD TO US IN CHILD HOOD OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE BUILD SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY ANYWA NOW THAT SWAMIJI POORAVATAR IS HERE- WE CAN REST IN PEACE – HE IS ALREDY MAKING IT HAPPEN..GRATITUDE SWAMIJI

  19. MODEL, DISCOVERY AND LIFESTLE- FEW PPL LIVING A IDEAOLOGY IS MODEL- FEW MORE PPL JOIN AND LIVE = DISCPVERY – WHEN LAKHS OF PPL LIVE THEN IT IS LIFE STYLE..WOW

  20. SWAMJIS MESSAGE TO WORLD LEADERS- CHANGE YOUR LIFE STYLE TO LIVE ORGANIC AND BE BOLD TO TELL THE WORLD YOU LIVE THIS WAY

  21. MAKING YOURSELF AS YOUR FOLLOWER IS FIRST JOB OF GURU – ONLY WHO MADE HIMSELF FOLLOWER CAN MAKE OTHERS GURU

  22. whenever I feel upset and need motivation, I simply watch swami nityanand videos. He is admirable, adorable and complete wikipedia of Hinduism. On Namah Shivayah

  23. wow Ananta koti namaskarams to swamiji . this was a m8nd blowing brain storming session . truly indebted for this knowledge

  24. Interesting Questions:  and incredible answers, Unexpected New punch and clicks! 'LIBERAL IN ACTION – CONCERVATIVE IN REACTION' IS SO INSPIRED ME!! Thank u swamiji

  25. such a revelation ,Swamiji..really love all the parts of this video…it brings so much of clarity to my live!!!

  26. Loved much listening this interview…! Swamiji talks about different important topics, answers to all wonderings in a very cool way and in the same time delivers amazing truths about humanity, religion and Cosmos. I recommend all of you to watch this complete, interesting and mind blowing.video!! Nithyanandam!

  27. I appear to be in a rappy mood today…
    happiness is a trait, for which you don't wait
    It's a thing you give and bear, live and share, have some always here and sometimes there
    it's a fare for living
    not a thing of deeming
    it's the hot potato seeming never to go
    which also you can't hold for long
    so take it in and sing a song
    of your jacket made by billabong
    or just your dong
    how you smoked a bong,
    saw a dove in a flock
    and did something wrong
    cause your love's bollocks
    if it's possessive and made for complimenting cucks like you
    and the ducks that don't do
    the "be," but still act all free
    and disguise themselves like flaming lies saying moist truths,
    of things
    out of fear of BEings with more power
    instead of doing butter and getting even more
    or maybe getting fatter
    who knows
    better,
    that's the word of ghosts
    the true selves of a past time, no sound,
    like a mime,
    except not as fine

  28. I would recommend all Indian scientists. Please do not take these lectures lightly. Work on these. New discoveries can be made I believe. This man is special.

  29. Swamiji , please tell me when, all those who are in my thought frame, word frame  and work frame, irrespective of time and space ( distance), will they receive my positive energy  which I send to them from my inner space of Sadashiva?. Simply when I want them to respond to my manifestation of positive energy on them .Will it bring change in them. Will this happen?

  30. Thank you for sharing and very true. It is incredible and there is some ways to read and predict things, which is now going instinct, because people have moved too much to external support, phones for directions, communication etc, soon our children will not be able to work out simple things themselves. I know many people can't understand this. While wondering in the Himalayas for many years during our expeditions, I met amazing Sadhus, who told me things, which are mind blowing and still making me wonder, how could they work that out. there is something incredible about yoga.

  31. How beautifully swamiji is explaining everything about god Krishna Shiva..Hinduism I just live you swamiji… Very soon we are going to meet…Thank you so much for your blessings for Adheenavasi 💕💕💕💕

  32. Swamiji is in my bliss frame because I think of him way more than 3 times a day😁🙏🙂 I love that laugh.

  33. Now we have a Swamiji who is having infinite energy to answer all sorts of questions put to him with equanimity and depth. It was a very educative experience. This interview is in line with the one Swamiji gave to Mr. Rajiv Malhotra. Look forward to watching more of this genre.

  34. The problem isn't being happy, it's that we are not taught to live on the planet without some state government and person telling us they are their citizens based on being born on a certain area of land on this planet.

    When enough people want to get together and tell the corrupt people to go fuckthemselves and leave the us evolved people alone or else.

    You see, I am super evolved because I am the only one I know that is asking and telling people, "hey we have the technology to take back our lives from the whackos with this technology that empowers every individual"

    I keep saying, "we have arrived"…yes we have arrived at this moment in time we know have the ability to take back our lives and our planet without violence, but by coalescing as one group…but no one listens to me..bahhumbug.

  35. I am very enlightened because I do not want to be dependent upon other people's money for survival on this planet. I want to exchange freely wealth not worthless bankers debt disguised as money.

    Hold in your hand what you call money…whenever you say the word "money" hold that item you call money in your hand and ask yourself, can you create this money?

    I am enlightened because I discern what I eat and what money I want to use.
    Most of you refuse and will not discern what you're using AS money.
    Wealth is free trade…..worthless paper is not free.

    Human beings need to stop claiming some 1% is running their lives and their government…do you see how ignorant it is to let "unspiritual, unwise and immoral people create laws for those that are "spiritual, wise and moral"….your tech device is screaming out….your empowered, you the individual….you can connect to everyone on this planet that can hold a tech device in their hands…if you cannot shout with exuberance, happiness and joy that you have this technology then I truly feel sorry for you and hope you evolve and become awakened.

  36. What Mohan asked was "What is the duty of a wealthy man towards his society according to Hindu dharm" (after he has achieved success in his business & accumulated a huge amount of wealth as a result) & not "How to run a business among competitions".
    Our religion is very clear about it. It says that a good portion should be given as daan (Daan=giving away without expecting anything in return, not even publicity or rather giving anonymously, the left hand should not know what the right hand gives. This could even be for animal welfare, accident victims etc) Another portion should be given for public utilities such as hospitals, schools, food, clothing, shelter & occupation to the less privileged which is "dharm" (Dharm=You can get recognition for that but that should not be your target in giving). Another portion is to be given to your family. A portion should be donated to the temple (Temples were lodges for travelers with free food & clean water to drink & bathe, a place to lie down & rest etc; auditoriums for showcasing various talents; a place where money would be collected from the rich & given to the poor for fees, medicines, building a dwelling place etc; where families would be counselled & various such activities. There was also a God.
    A fifth portion has to be reinvested & a portion to be kept for yourself for enjoyment, for emergency etc. If you want you can give away that also just before you die or ask others to do so, so that when you die, you have completed all your monetary duties.

  37. I now see the whole context behind the Mahabharata war. It was not violence exactly. It was more like a mass suicide from the other end. Because everyone on the Kaurava's side knew they were going to perish and yet they chose not to change. This is what makes Mahabharata stand out for me more than any other part of our history.

  38. I am indeed proud to be watching this interview physically while it was filmed. What a great clarity . thank you Mr. Mohan das ji and swamiji to bring out all doubts in the form of question and for the incomparable new-clear answers….

  39. Extremely insightful information by Paramhansa Nityananda. Sanatan Dharma is the future. Sanatan Dharmis were massacred and slaughtered for 800 years by muslims and 250 years by Christians. Time has already come for Sanatan Dharma to rise up again.

  40. this interview has so much depth that I want to see it many more times……..thank u so much swamiji…

  41. Swamiji is a treasure trove of infinity! He is the guide to infinity! Please liberate me! May your million come and liberate the world!

  42. Dear Swamji I would like to thank you for sharing with us your wisdom and experience. The truth is the TRUTH and seeker of truth has the ability to know when they find the truth in any person, book, or teachings. Though I'm a follower of Christ as a cosmic teacher of truth (not the religion) I can resonate with your scriptures and teachings. And sometimes what I have read in the past and couldn't truly grasp the meaning of it, many many times I understand it when you explain it from your books. That's Amazing how TRUTH is the same to all but trying to make business out of it IS what has confused the HUMAN BEINGS all over the world. God bless you.

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