degrading love — part two | how religions distort ‘love’ [cc]

degrading love — part two | how religions distort ‘love’ [cc]


This is the second of a two-part response
specifically for folks who approach me with promises of their god’s love, setting out
my reasons for rejecting this apparent gift and explaining why all of us deserve better. In part one, I looked at how
the major world religions encourage us to view completely arbitrary life events and
physical sensations as evidence of divine love. And I highlighted some of the problems
this false love generates. I also looked at the parasitic nature of god
characters such as Yahweh and Allah who’re presented as loving parents, but who in fact
give absolutely no love to their supposed children and instead constantly demand it. In part two, I want to expose more of the layers of depravity underpinning this parody of love. The major world religions are deeply
invested in the notion of free will. If we determine our own beliefs and actions,
we can reasonably be held accountable for them. On the platform of accountability,
religions plant their concepts of sin and virtue blaming us for the former and praising us for the latter. And on this stack of building blocks rest
the ultimate concepts of hell and heaven. Mess around with the notion of free will
and accusations of heresy soon start to fly. Within Christianity, emerging in the mid-1600s, the Jansenists held that humans
were powerless to avoid sinning because, following Adam and Eve’s fall
from paradise, humans were deprived of grace. They further argued that any humans who were subsequently offered Yahweh’s grace were powerless to resist it. This meant humans that humans
couldn’t be held accountable either for their sinful nature or their redemption. The Jansenists’ ideas soon aroused
papal condemnation for heresy. Within Islam, two groups emerged during the
Umayyad period, between the 7th and 8th centuries, that were both denounced because of their
contentious views on free will. The school of Jabariyyah viewed humans as
divine puppets whose actions were determined by the Islamic god Allah and who
consequently bore no responsibility. To back up their assertion, they
cited surah 76 verse 30 of the Qur’an which states that Allah’s will dictates human will. In contrast, the school of Qadariyyah proposed that humans possessed a free will
completely independent of the will of Allah, making humans a rival to Allah. Senior lecturer in Islamic studies
Abdur Rashid Bhat writes that …. ‘Both these groups were disapproved of
by the Muslim community for their rigid, extremist and heretical stands.’ All this bitter religious dispute to preserve
our freedom to determine our own life’s course. And what do the gods expect us to do
with this generous gift of freedom? Submit ourselves into slavery. Islam is pretty upfront about its desire to enslave. The word ‘Islam’ itself means submission
— specifically submission to the will of Allah. Read scriptural and scholarly Islamic writings — or simply talk to a range of Muslims — and you’ll find the word ‘human’ openly
and unapologetically replaced by the words ‘servant’ and ‘slave’. You’ll find similar language in the Bible. So — the gods gave us free will
so that we could choose to be slaves. Anyone spot the fundamental problem with this deal? And there’s no room for
half-hearted or grudging submission. You have to really want to
put on those mental shackles — to forgo your critical thinking
in order to defend the master’s stories; to limit your human relationships
in order to defend the master’s supremacy; to abandon your logical faculties
in order to defend the master’s inconsistencies; to waive your moral reasoning
in order to defend the master’s immorality; in short, to surrender your humanity
in order to defend your master’s inhumanity. And if your hunger for this
degradation isn’t strong enough? You’ll be condemned to everlasting suffering in hell. So, Yahweh and Allah — supposedly
the most loving beings to exist — created us for slavery or torture. Even the Bible states that love and fear don’t mix. 1 John 4:18 asserts ‘There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear,
because fear has to do with punishment.’ Unfortunately, Yahweh seems
determined to have it both ways. In Matthew 22, Jesus states the greatest commandment
is to love Yahweh with all our heart and soul and mind. But in books such as Deuteronomy,
humans are repeatedly commanded to fear Yahweh. So we have an impossible triangle. Humans are first commanded to love Yahweh;
second, commanded to fear Yahweh; and third, told that love and fear don’t mix. These contradictory angles add up to one big mess. Turning to Islam, threats
of hellish punishment for non-belief contravene surah 2, verse 256 of the Qur’an,
which forbids compulsion in religion. What greater form of compulsion is there than
the threat of eternal torture? Of course, with Islam,
threats aren’t confined to the afterlife. It’s a modern-day disgrace
that over 20 territories on this planet have official laws and policies
prohibiting deconversion from Islam. Apostates are threatened variously
with fines, loss of citizenship or execution. Several ex-Muslims living in these territories
have shared their personal stories with me, describing the exhausting,
corrosive psychological pressures they’re forced to endure on a daily basis just to survive. So much for no compulsion. Of course, compulsion in religion isn’t just a problem
because some passage in the Qur’an forbids it. Compulsion backfires on Islam — and Christianity —
by destroying their very foundation: free will. The types of free will typically asserted by religions are already difficult enough
to support on philosophical grounds as our increasing understanding of the human brain exposes increasing complexities and obstacles regarding the concept of choice. But the use of compulsion in religion,
forcing humans into submission, destroys any claim of divinely granted free will. This has a devastating knock-on effect destroying accountability, virtue and ultimately
any justification for heavenly rewards. With their threats of eternal suffering the gods huff and puff and blow their own house down. Divine attacks on free will can be found in
other parts of the Qur’an and Bible. In the Qur’an surah 2, verse 7, Allah is said to have
fixed a seal on the hearts and hearing of disbelievers and veiled their vision. So disbelievers are divinely
prevented from becoming believers and then punished for not believing. In the Bible, we find a similarly perverse
attack on free will in the book of Exodus. In chapter 3, verses 7 and 8, Yahweh tells Moses
he’s seen the oppression of the children of Israel and promises to deliver them
from their Egyptian masters. In verses 19 and 20, Yahweh says he’s sure
the Egyptian Pharaoh will not liberate the Israelites. So Yahweh vows to strike Egypt with wonders,
after which he predicts the Pharaoh will let them go. But in Exodus 4, we find a bizarre plot twist. Yahweh tells Moses that he’s going
to harden the Pharaoh’s heart, forcing the Pharaoh not to liberate the Israelites. So Yahweh promises to liberate the Israelites then deliberately prevents their liberation
by taking away the Pharaoh’s free will. We now see why in Exodus 3 Yahweh was so sure
that the Pharaoh wouldn’t let the Israelites go. What this self-defeating divine intervention
means is that Yahweh’s strike against Egypt, supposedly in response to the Pharaoh’s refusal,
is in fact a response to Yahweh’s own actions. Given the choice, would you freely choose to be a slave? Not only do Allah and Yahweh
want us to submit to slavery they threaten us to submit with
promises of unimaginable punishment, and when it suits them,
they’re even prepared to force submission by removing our free will altogether
— as Yahweh did with the Pharaoh and then punish us for the consequences. This conflicted divine behaviour
demonstrates many character traits. Narcissism. Hypocrisy. Sadism. Conspicuously absent is love. Stretching back thousands of years the practice of blood sacrifice to the gods
persists to this day on a huge scale. The rationale for these sacrifices varies. The world’s largest mass animal sacrifice
is performed by Muslims as part of Hajj a vast annual pilgrimage to Mecca in which hundreds of thousands of animals — including sheep, goats and cows — are slaughtered ‘in the hope of attaining closeness to Allah’, showing that ‘they are willing to give up some of their own benefits’. Within Hinduism, the Gadhimai festival has seen millions of devotees descend on Nepal every five years for the world’s second largest animal sacrifice in which — among other animals —
thousands of cattle are beheaded. Attendants hope that this torrent
of blood will make their wishes come true. Aside from the granting of wishes,
and displays of self-denial, another religious rationale for sacrifice
is substitutionary atonement. Here, people hope to erase their sins by casting them onto a sacrificial subject
who’s punished in their place. An example of scapegoat sacrifice forms the
basis of Christianity. This sacrifice is cited as a demonstration of Yahweh’s profound love. But it demonstrates no such thing. Some folks are surprised to learn that the
life of the Biblical messiah Jesus not only ends but begins with blood sacrifice. When he’s born, his parents sacrifice two birds in keeping with a divine law set out in Leviticus 12. Not the stuff of school nativities. But it sets
an appropriately bloody tone for what’s to come. Calling himself the son of Yahweh, Jesus infuriates the Jewish authorities. He’s arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin
— a Jewish judicial assembly and condemned to death by crucifixion. Although he foresees all of these events
long in advance, he allows them to happen because, through his death, he’s destined
to pay a ransom for humankind. Since the fall from paradise, after the first humans
— Adam and Eve — disobeyed Yahweh by eating from the forbidden tree
of the knowledge of good and evil every human subsequently born was born wrong;
born as an imperfect sinner. The sins of every sinner had to be
paid for to avoid damnation and for many years, animal sacrifices
were offered as payment. But then Jesus arrives and offers a deal. If we ask for his forgiveness, he’ll pay
with his blood, absolving us of our sins. Jesus’s blood is far more precious than
animal or human blood. It has infinite value. So it can absolve infinite sin. As a very young child I didn’t
understand this blood magic stuff but I found the crucifixion story very distressing. As I grew up and my involvement
in Christianity deepened I’d meditate repeatedly on Jesus’s sacrifice. Time after time, l’d imagine him dying in
agony to pay for my sins and I’d cycle through the same overwhelming feelings. Sorrow, contrition, reverence,
incomprehension, powerlessness, thankfulness. It was an emotional mouse wheel
that flung rationality away with centrifugal force. But in my early teens, in a crisis of faith I stepped off that mouse wheel for a moment
and examined this bloody drama with cold eyes. And I realised this drama was a farce. Why should we be blamed for being born sinners? Why should we pay for some deficiency over
which we had absolutely no control? The fact was, in Biblical terms, the blood-hungry
Yahweh was entirely to blame for our sinful nature. When he created Adam, he created him from dust;
from earth. So Adam inherited no human sin. If Yahweh created every human this way
then no human would be an inherent sinner. But instead, quite bizarrely, having created Adam from
earth, Yahweh now switches to creation from birth a completely different method which he knows
will guarantee that every human is an inherent sinner. By commanding Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply,
Yahweh deliberately multiplies human sin, multiplies human debt, and multiplies
the need for blood sacrifice. We have names for people who
deliberately peddle inferior products that demand constant, expensive maintenance work. ‘Supreme intelligence’ isn’t one of them. John 3:16 tells us that Yahweh loved the world
so much that he sacrificed his one and only son. Far from showing love, Jesus’s death
is just the melodramatic hook to one of the biggest religious scams in history designed to arouse a combination
of profound guilt and gratitude, when we have absolutely no reason
to feel either of these. Not only is this blood-magic completely unnecessary, it makes a mockery of personal responsibility. If people do me wrong, but then apologise and
make personal restoration, and I forgive them the matter should be considered resolved. Not so, according to Yahweh. In fact, these wrongdoers could compensate me
a hundred times over; a thousand times over. Makes no odds. If they decline to participate in Yahweh’s blood magic
by submitting to Jesus, they’ll be condemned. Conversely, If people do me wrong,
but offer me no apology or restoration and receive no forgiveness from me, the matter should be considered unresolved. Again, not so. If they use Yahweh’s blood magic, then they’re absolved. I have decades of experience of countless
Christians from various denominations who’ve treated people appallingly — repeatedly stirring conflict, lying, bullying, falsely maligning others. And never making amends for their misdeeds. And yet they go to church each week, recite the Lord’s prayer — maybe confess their sins to a priest and they’re assured that they’re forgiven. Substitutionary atonement destroys personal
accountability. The wrongs we do each other
are not magically wiped away by grovelling to the ghost of some Jew
executed thousands of years ago. The wrongs we do each other
are resolved through human efforts with remorse, integrity, patience, empathy. It can be a messy, uncertain, demanding process. But, unlike scapegoat sacrifice, it’s an honest one. And it gives us back what religions
like Christianity try to take from us — the adult autonomy to sort out
our own problems and move on from them — instead of submitting to a divine protection racket in which we endlessly pay Yahweh
in blood to protect us from Yahweh. Religions like Christianity are divisive to the core. Even if there was only one denomination of Christianity
which everyone followed faithfully, the religion itself would still work to come
between its followers at all times. In the first of these two videos I looked at Jesus’s demand that
we all love him more than anyone else. Nothing gentle, meek or mild about that. And not content with this already overinflated demand in Luke 14, verse 26, Jesus really
lays bare the reach of his narcissism. He demands so much love that — by contrast —
our love for everyone else should feel like hate. Unfortunately, some Christians are willing to
downgrade their loved ones much more than this. Of the promises of divine love
made to me over the years a significant percentage has come
from representatives of an organisation that I regard as one of the least qualified
to talk about love: Jehovah’s Witnesses. The concept of separation is deeply embedded in the psychology of the JW organisation which claims that the world has been taken over by
Satan, and that all non-Witnesses are morally corrupt. While you might find JWs interacting
with non-members on a superficial level, including acts of kindness and charity, their desire to remain ‘separate from the
world’ puts a strict limit on these interactions and creates an ‘us vs them’ mentality
which allows no middle ground. If individuals decide to leave the religion,
in line with the organisation’s policy the entire JW community, including friends and family,
is compelled to dissociate itself from them refusing even to acknowledge them with greetings. The organisation justifies this social shunning
with Biblical passages such as 2 John, Matthew 18 and Romans 16 each of which discourages contact
with those who don’t follow the party line. JW literature presents shunning as ‘loving discipline’ designed to make individuals see the error
of their ways and return to the ‘truth’. But comments made by the organisation
in its Watchtower magazine give a different rationale for shunning asserting that, ‘apostates are ‘mentally diseased,’ and they seek to infect others
with their disloyal teachings.’ The fact is this shunning is nothing more
than a cruel abuse of social power. Humans are social creatures. As such, we can be extremely vulnerable to social pressure. The JW organisation exploits this
vulnerability to gain compliance. Because they’re discouraged from forming
close friendships with non-members shunned apostates are often stripped
of their entire social world. Of course there might be an overwhelming
urge to return to the flock. Not because the flock represents truth but because of the pain of losing everything
and trying to surviving on their own. Returning to compliance takes the pain away. The isolationist mentality of this organisation shields its members from reality. By remaining separate from the world JWs don’t get to see the lives of the ordinary folks
their organisation routinely condemns. Their fantasy of a world overrun
by Satan is never challenged. Yes, the world has problems. Yes, there are destructive agents operating in it. But there are also deeply dedicated humanitarian
agents working to improve the world. By extension, JWs never get to see of lives
of the family and friends they shun. If they did, many of them would have
to face an uncomfortable truth — that the loved one they’ve shunned is leading a life
that’s just as good and honest and loving as it ever was. Let’s underscore this point. Wanda is a Jehovah’s Witness. Lois isn’t. For forty years, they lead virtually identical lives. Both make exactly the same mistakes
and do their best to make up for them. Both give exactly the same time and energy to charity. Both give exactly the same love to their families. The only difference is that, as a Jehovah’s Witness Wanda asks Jesus to take responsibility for her wrongdoings with his blood while Lois accepts responsibility for her own actions. In what way would Wanda be corrupted
by associating with Lois? Does Lois’s decision to take responsibility for her own actions make her more or less virtuous than Wanda who wants someone else to pay for hers? Now let’s imagine that the children of both
women reveal that they’ve become a buddhist. Wanda shuns her child, who will now grow up to marry and have children and grandchildren
who Wanda will never know. Lois holds onto her child,
doesn’t become a buddhist but does enjoy years of mutually
rewarding relationships with her son, his wife their children and their grandchildren. Bearing in mind the JWs’ complaint about
the destructive forces overrunning the world which of these mothers has contributed more love to the world? Religions that break up friends and families
have nothing to teach me about love. In part one, I mentioned that when I reject their promise of divine love some folks assert that I’ve been somehow ‘damaged’,
and express hopes that I might someday be ‘healed’. If I was at all damaged then it was by
the warped, avaricious, sadistic pseudo-love peddled by the religion into which I was indoctrinated. If I had to heal from anything, it was this. I had to unlearn the neurotic
thinking style instilled in me — the habitual thoughts of unworthiness the constant doubt about whether my love was ever good enough the feeling that my life was not my own the instinctive lack of confidence
in my own moral judgement. It’s no coincidence that religions
that pontificate endlessly about love constantly neglect one of its
most important forms: self love. It’s the subject of corny songs
and cheesy internet memes. But for me, self love really
forms the grounding of all love. Self love isn’t about being proud or immodest. It isn’t about deluding ourselves that we have some special importance. It’s about being secure in our self-worth. When we don’t have an abiding
internal sense of our own worth we often end up seeking validation from external agents. By giving them the power to control our sense of worth, we become vulnerable to manipulation by those agents. Religious agents in particular are all too happy
to prey in that vulnerability. I was raised on a distorted parody of love. I didn’t see it was distorted, because everything
else in my life was distorted around it to make it look reasonable. For years, I found ways of ignoring the telltale signs — the subjugation, the suffering,
the needless overblown sacrifices all of which were silently screaming at me:
‘You’re looking at this from the wrong angle’. But eventually I listened. The flip in perspective was disorientating. But things finally made sense. And I was able to shed years of
distorted thoughts and emotions. I was finally able to solve previously insoluble problems thrown up by these loveless ideologies like: ‘How do you find a moment’s happiness in heaven
when you’re conscious of loved ones burning in hell?’ The answer was simple: ‘You don’t.’ Many of us come from generations of folks
who’ve had this corrupt model of love drilled into them. But things are changing. And I know I’m not alone when I say:
I reject this degrading ‘love’. [a succession of voices affirming:
I reject this degrading ‘love’.]

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  1. Thank you for Bringing more Light to the JW cult shunning practice. It has had a huge impact on my life. Moving forward is difficult but the freedom it brings is all worth it.

  2. RE the end of this video: I can't remember which video it was (maybe the one on how churches hide abuse?), but I remember you talking about a JW who, upon leaving the organization, was shocked to find that the outside world that she'd been warned about was actually full of kind and generous people. I think it's the same here; this warped version of love closes us off from the actual, genuine love that is all around us, and especially, within ourselves. When we reject that warped love, the world opens up around us with so many opportunities to experience kindness and goodness in people– the same goodness that is inside us, and has been all along.

  3. And yet, the idea of predestination is deeply ingrained in Christianity, I've seen priests and scientists alike claim there is no free will. They still uphold concepts of sin, heaven, and hell of course. (Seeing as Justinian made it Heresy to believe in Reincarnation, which is what the Bible really teaches. Mark 10:29-30 being the best example.) They want to have it both ways. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They are supposed to follow the Holy Spirit, who is called the teacher of truth, yet they lie themselves from day 1, claiming to themselves and others that Jesus was definitely real, when were they to be honest, they would have to admit they don't know.

  4. Oddly enough, the Christian logic should be that the blood sacrifice of jesus ends all original sin that is passed down through the generations, allowing us free will and only be accountable for the sins we commit throughout our lives and do not correct. As if to bugfix this atrocity of Yahweh.
    Yet Christian preachers do not tell it like that at all, keeping us in the perpetual cycle of being born wrong, when we aren't;
    and not partaking in any abrahamic religion, never were in all of history.

  5. Even when I was religious, I never really accepted Jesus' sacrifice, because I never once comprehended it during my entire time as a christian.
    My thought process could be summarized roughly like this: "So, his death on the cross somehow made our sins be forgiven? Oookaaayyyy, if you say so, my dudes. I don't see how that works."
    I never once made the connection that it was a sacrifice, a scapegoat, that he was allegedly taking the burden of what were supposedly my "sins". That he was allegedly taking "my" punishment for me.

    I never could have made the connection, because it so blatantly contradicted my understanding of morality. God was supposed to be good, right? So he couldn't have been thinking that we deserve such a gruesome pain when we were trying to be good. And wouldn't try to punish someone for someone else's crimes, right? The ideas were so fundamentally incompatible that my brain automatically rejected the idea without me ever becoming aware of it.

    As a catholic, it also baffled me that only men could be priests. When I heard that evangelicals/protestants allowed female priests, I wondered why we were catholic. If god was good, he couldn't have been prejudiced against women, right?

    I never felt a strong connection to church, either. How could we mere mortals do a "service" to an omnipotent being? How did going to church "serve" god? What use was any of this to the omnipotent creator that I believed in? I would have rather stayed home and not be bored out of my mind, listening to pointless drivel about ancient times. I had some superficial stumps of belief in some of the rituals we performed, but nothing truly deep. When it came to communion, I was more interested in the gifts I would receive for the first communion celebration, and while I still believed in god at the time, I didn't really care for any of the rituals.

    Overall, it's no surprise that my belief crumbled to dust as I matured. With no evidence-feedback and persistent honest thought about the subject, it was only a matter of time until I outgrew those silly superstitions.

  6. I'm not going to look through all the comments but from what I've looked at thank goodness I haven't seen any saying "This is out of context", it's such a bs response.

  7. THERAMIN TREES, If one of the definitions of good is that you contribute to a better understanding of the world, AKA; leaving it a better place than you found it , then it would seem that your insights and work are (IMO) ABSOLUTELY GOOD. Thank you

  8. Actually at 5:18 the first thing they're told is to fear Yahweh since Deuteronomy came before mathew…
    so first we're taught to fear god, then love him and then that love and fear do not live in the same heart.
    of course when you present a christian with this they will fall back on the "well jesus came and changed.. etc etc.."

  9. "free will" in the sense that you should do something, and that you can do something is not the same thing, it doesn't crumble accountability

  10. I don't understand how your channel isnt more commonly known. Your arguments are so incredibly well stated.

  11. Can you do a video on NDEs and your take on them? People who claim to have seen hell? I mean if a lukewarm Christian can go I'm definitely screwed since I'm gay lol

  12. I haven't seen a clip that was just good, all I have seen have been interesting, informative. keep up the great work!!!!!!

  13. I have never felt God or his love….only the church leaders who took my virginity and sexually assaulted me for 8 years. Some God 😑 Guess he just wanted to watch.

  14. Could you please do a video debunking Hinduism? In India, victim blaming is quite normal, and i think that you would explain it rather well.

  15. Definitely spooked me when @ 16:08 you revealed, we pay Yahweh, to protect us from Yahweh. It’s so simple yet has a bit of a scary touch to it when illustrated.

  16. you forgot to add Libya where i live , its between Tunis and Egypt , i will be killed if i opened my mouth on the spot

  17. Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 10:9,10 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. { There is only one way to enter heaven, It is Jesus. He did for my sin to set me free. I am a new creation in Christ. I have been forgiven and set free. I am so sorry for you lost people. It is not religion taking us to heaven, it is our relationship with Jesus. Only can we change by being drawn by the Holy Spirit. We can only come to the Father through Jesus.

  18. I got a ad about a reformational Bible college. I feel maybe a misguided sense of pity about the skeptical girl who double downed on her parents authority. I don't think she made the right call.

  19. When I was a child, I never had the faintest idea what the sentence meant „Jesus died for you/ for your sins“
    I shrugged it off as one of those unexplained and inexplicable idiocies that one small group of adults annoyed children with. Literally nobody even ever tried to explain what it supposedly means, not even in (mandatory) religious ed class.
    I consider myself lucky for the small inconvenience I suffered from the confusion.

  20. I’m Agnostic & it took me years to transition from facetious modern Christianity to it.
    I love how lucid you’ve expressed much of the contradictions we’ve both faced as your videos express what I wrestled how to convey.
    Those of us who have struggled & those who currently are are not alone!
    Kudos.
    😊

  21. Jesus had a bad weekend for the so-called sins supposedly committed by Adam and Eve and visited upon all the rest of us forever…because god was an unforgiving and lousy parent, as well as a terrible judge of new, ignorant creatures.

  22. "God is a jealous god." That in and of itself is enough to make anyone with common sense run in the opposite direction.

  23. Alright, I'm legitimately interested in reading the bible now
    As a christian I wasnt really interested but hOOOOOOh boi i a m n o w

  24. 4:53

    But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."

    Matthew 22:34‭-‬40

    At least quote the whole scripture in context, dude. People were trying to fault Jesus as a teacher in his days, even hiring lawyers to djscredit him. They tested him morality, and what would be the greatest teaching of all. He expressed the love of God (ultimate good despite our shortcomings, a being that loves us infinitely and his creation) and love each other, (as we are made in the image of God, sharing his qualities and all hold worth, and are worth loving and appreciating only SECOND TO GOD, OF WHOM OUR WORTH IS FOUND, OTHERWISE WE ARE SIMPLY ANIMALS.)

    You twisted this as to make it suit the illusory correlation between love and not applying critical thinking skills, as if human beings can simply just do and not think, we can't even decide on what to have for dinner any given day you nonce lmao

  25. God-sent himself die as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself for the price that he demanded. How does that make sense?

  26. While I'm not interested in making a case for theist, could it not be said that the feeling of love and fear is something akin to awe-inspiring? Like a mountain climbing enthusiast could both love and fear the K12. It's also a common occurrence for anybody witnessing a impressive natural phenomenon that doesn't represent a direct danger?

    I think it's also referred to as the sublime by Schopenhauer.

  27. A favorite religionist talking point is their deity gives "us" free will because it doesn't want us to be robots. But…once in heaven, I ask, can you do ANYTHING except what your deity wills? No, they answer, but we've CHOSEN that. So, I ask, how does choosing to be a robot make you any less of a robot?

  28. Romans 9 would have been a perfect chapter full of verses about being predestined to hell by making vessels for wrath and some for salvation as vessels of mercy. I’m addicted to your videos as I am no longer a Calvinist Christian

  29. New testimony of christ is a direct contradiction of the old testament, I find that the belief that christianity being created by Roman Senate to unite everyone to be a compelling argument and the possibility that Titus Flavius the God Emperor was the life image of jesus christ to be logical.

  30. Ever since I got the notion of sin out of my head my life has been so much better and I’ve been even nicer because I’ve minded my own business and went by common sense morals. Religion is useless for anything but manipulation.

  31. I love your comment section so much because it’s not yet been infiltrated by believers. Darkmatter2525’s is filled with them 🤮

  32. I find it interesting when talking about Christian beliefs you almost always refer to the Old Testament which was only written to Jews by the Jews and inherently full of errors. Those who follow Jesus would easily maneuver around your arguments, citing they are not under the Old Testament in any way, that they are followers of Jesus under a New Way or New Testament. Jesus's followers do not follow Moses's Law (handed down not by God but Angels), they do not have a set of rules to follow, this is precisely what Jesus set them free from. Jesus constantly broke the Jewish law, it is part of why they wanted him dead. So far every atheist I have talked with agrees that what Jesus has taught is good and good to follow. Many times I see well known Atheist like Penn Jellette explaining how to make the world a better place end up almost quoting Jesus word for word. Many of my atheist friends I comment to them that they follow the words of Jesus better than any so called Christian and they will smile and tell me, "I know".

  33. Because of my upbringing, I feel guilty even watching skeptic videos and more guilty CONSIDERING them as possibility…anyone else experience this? I don't want to feel insane.

  34. Israelites are Yahweh's slaves? Willingly? It seems they never were acting on free will. Maybe they're still not. Over in Israel/Palestine the modern day Israelis seem like killing machines fulfilling God's order for land, to me. I don't want to think like that. But if their entitlement to the land comes from that book, then I have to.

  35. OH, MY, GOTH! So logical and true.
    No more "Liars and Tithers and False Bearers, Oh, My!"

  36. Emotional attachment to a diety and criticial thinking can't be reconciled in my opinion. One needs to be abandoned in favour of the other.

  37. What was it I saw said in the comments section on another related video?

    Jesus: Let me in!
    Me: Why?
    Jesus: To protect you!
    Me: From what?
    Jesus: From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in!

  38. Your theme reminds me of "Sweet things are made of this".

    Also, your videos are an excellent look at the psychology of religions and drawing comparisons with abusive relationships. It's great you are empowering people by opening their eyes to the subtle tricks and manipulative tactics of organizations and individuals. Cheers

  39. Oh yeah, I was hit by "you'll never be free unless you accept god as your master". It was kind of insulting that one would even try convincing people in such an illogical way.

  40. I always tell people that if my husband treated me like Yahweh did, everyone I know would tell me to get out of the relationship FAST. It seems like a cruel betrayal that nobody ever did that and I spent so long in an abusive relationship with Yahweh. Good riddance.

  41. I really enjoy the way you present your videos! You're right Jehovah witnesses especially, should not be teaching anyone about love.

  42. New viewer and love your work, but I was under the impression that the Christians god was called Jehova, not Yahweh?

  43. Tfw you carefully construct hours of calmly worded, well thought out, considerate and careful arguments against a deeply flawed and harmful ideology… And all of it's meaningless because ""MUH FAITH"".

  44. Animal sacrificing is disgusting. And people think those eastern Faith's are so sweet and innocent. Fuck everything honestly. I wouldn't kill my cat because some asshole thought it was needed to save his soul. Fuck your soul, leave innocent animals alone.

  45. I can guarantee he made jesus black just to make some people angry. I actually laughed my ass off thinking of someone watching this whole video, then getting mad at black jesus.

  46. This is a sidenote in a long treatise about a different subject, but I must add that asserting that Jesus was tried and sentenced by the Sanhedrin is highly debatablr – that is – if you consider that Jesus was a real man who existed to begin with.
    The story of the Sanhedrin examining him and judging him has serious flaws in it's own logic, such as why they assembled at night (against their own laws), why did they charge him with blaspheming (he did not say Yahwes name explicitly) and not assign him a more fitting "crime", and what was the Sanhedrin's actual standing in a land controlled by the Roman authority. For me as a person not raised into christianity it is the first time I heard of this "fact" from the gospell and I had to look into it.

    Keep up these videos, they are food for thought

  47. Several months ago, my mother engaged me in a heated religious debate. Eventually we got to the topic of salvation. I asked her, "What makes you think any of us deserve? Who are we to ask for forgiveness from punishment?" She looked away quietly for a minute and that was it. I'm sure she could have used her usual "crimestop" to resolve that, but I don't know why that had an impact on her.

  48. It has some time that I use the religious factor as a criteria of inteligence, 'non biasement', etc. These two videos show why. Thank you, I've never been able to put to words.
    (Non native speaker, yet learning)

  49. Chapter 5 'things get changed, things get broken' instantly made me think of a song Depeche Mode 'Precious' which is about a father singing a song to his children explaining the hardships of love and apologizes to them for the pain caused.
    I think it's exactly how the lyrics even go.
    I wonder if that's just a coincidence or deliberate cuz someone likes Depeche Mode here

  50. Humans developed consciousness to go against instincts or reason when it may be advantageous. We may describe this as free will, as humans can do whatever they want to, whether or not it is bad or against instincts. However, those that concede their critical thinking to a supposed higher power, something which is infallibly claimed to know all and control everything, give up the major benefit of free will; freedom.

  51. I remember thinking to myself, in one of my childhood meditations on Jesus, that he, who is supposed to be selfless, kind, and loving, would not want anyone to grovel at his feet. From there, I came to the conclusion that I should not worship God or Jesus. If they want to be submitted to, then they are not worthy of my worship, and so I must not worship them. If they are kind, ethical, and just, they will not want to be worshipped – they will be humble, so I must not worship them. As a person of integrity, I stopped worshipping.

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