presents Priests and Politicians – The Mafia of the Soul (Part 3) Why should religion and state remain separate? . Religion as such does not exist yet; hence, whatever is known as religion should remain separate from the state for the simple reason, that it is not religion – it is pseudo, fake. You cannot ask the same question in reference to science. Can you ask that science and state should remain separate? Nobody even thinks about science’s separation for the simple reason that science exists, has come of age, has contributed immensely to human growth, welfare, health, longevity. In every possible way science has been a blessing. Hence, nobody will think of science remaining separate from the state. Religion has not been a blessing yet. It has been a curse. But remember, it is not religion. It is pseudo-religion. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, Mohammedanism – these are all cults. These are all exploiting humanity in the name of religion. They are not religions at all. They are superstitions. Of course superstitions should remain separate from the state. What kind of superstition it is does not matter: Hindu, Christian, Jewish. Superstition of all shapes and sizes should be kept as far away from the state as possible because the state is power, and if superstitions become joined with power they can do immense harm. They are doing immense harm even without the state. They have managed to create power of their own, they have their own generators. That’s what is meant by “organized religion”. A religious person has no power. He is humble. Not that he has practiced humbleness, he simple enjoys being humble. He has simply understood the stupidity and suffering of the ego, and by that sheer understanding, all that nonsense has disappeared. Suddenly he finds himself humble, egoless; he is harmless. But organized religion is nothing but politics in the name of religion. And the people who organize it are never religious The popes, the shankaracharyas, the imams, the rabbis – these people are not religious at all for the simple reason that they are full of knowledgeability, while a religious man knows he knows nothing. He knows that existence is so mysterious, there is no way to reduce it into knowledge. He is mystified by existence. A truly religious person is a mystic. He is a poet – not writing poetry, but living poetry. He is a painter – not painting on the canvas but painting on his own consciousness continuously. He is a musician; he may have never touched any instrument but he is continuously playing on his own inner being a music which cannot be translated in any way, cannot be brought from those higher realms of being to the lower, darker valleys of our life. He is a dancer; he may not move from one posture but his being is in a continual dance. A religious person cannot be Christian, Hindu or Mohammedan. To be religious is to be so vast you cannot confine it in such small prisons – churches, sects, creeds, dogmas. A religious man has no catechism. He knows love, he knows truth, he knows beauty, he knows authenticity. But he also knows that these values are impossible to express. You can live them, you can be them – that is the only way of expressing them. But you cannot say. You can show, but you cannot say. Christians in India have been asking again and again, “Why don’t you make a small book containing your religious vision, just as we have the Christian catechism?” I said, “You can have, because you are not religious. I cannot have, because I am religious. My experience is so vast that no words are capable of containing it.” Religion has not ever existed up to now. Only once in a while has there been a religious person. And whenever there had been a religious person, soon the pseudo-religious people, politicians with religious masks, gathered around. It is not Jesus who created Christianity. It is not Buddha who created Buddhism. It is not Mahavira who created Jainism. Very strange, almost unbelievable … Jesus was crucified by the Romans because Judea was, under the Roman empire, a slave country, and what a strange fate, that Rome became the citadel of Christianity! It still remains the citadel of Christianity. Organized religion is one of the ugliest things that has happened in history. And the state should remain separate from organized religion, because organized religion is nothing but all kinds of superstitions beliefs without any evidence, doctrines, creeds, which go against every scientific discovery and invention. The state should not support any pseudo-religion, any organized religion. That is supporting charlatans, cheats, deceivers, exploiters, parasites. Let me summarize what I am saying. I am saying: religions should not be mixed with the state because there is no religion yet. And whatever exists in the name of religion is not religion. That brings me to a totally different understanding. Religion is in the process of birth. Just as it took three hundred years for science to come of age, if humanity survives, then religion will also come of age. That day it will be sheer stupidity to say that state and religion should remain separate, because it will mean that all which is valuable in life and all that is great in existence should remain separate from the state – that the state should not be benefited by the enlightened ones, that the state should continue to exist in its dark world of politics, dirty in every possible way, that it should never see the light. Yes, today I agree that the state should remain separate from religions. Remember, I am saying it should remain separate from religions – I am using the word in the plural. But when religion comes of age – religion in the singular, just as science is singular – then it will be simply stupid to keep state and religion separate. Then you have to translate religion into what it actually is: then it is love, then it is understanding, then it is silence, peace. Then it is wisdom, meditativeness; then it is intelligence, pure intelligence. All these qualities, values, enrich life; they will enrich the state. By the sheer presence of an authentic religion the politicians will start dropping their dirty ways, their cunning policies. They will start feeling ashamed. Religion will function like a mirror, and politicians seeing their own faces – which they have never seen, because to see your face your need a mirror … I have heard that Mulla Nasruddin found a mirror on the street. He looked into it and said, “My God! I never thought that my father had gone to a photographer; that old man, I never thought he was so fashionable. But it is good that although he is dead, at least I have got his photograph.” He came home, fearing that his wife … Just the way wives are, husbands are; the husband hates not only the wife but all the relatives of the wife. Strange, those relatives have done nothing – or perhaps they have, because if the father and the mother had not been there in the world, at least this wife would not have been produced. And the wives hate all the relatives of their husbands. Their hatred is so much that only to focus it on the husband is not sufficient; it spills all over. Afraid that if his wife found the photograph she would burn it immediately, Nasruddin went upstairs in the attic and somewhere managed to hide the photograph – which was not a photograph at all, just a mirror. But you cannot hide anything from your wife. That has not been possible since there have been husbands and wives. You cannot hide. His wife was doing her work, but seeing from the corner of her eye that he has brought something, hiding it in the attic – “I will take a look at it. Let him first do his thing.” Nasruddin came down. As he came down he passed his wife; she was going up. He said, “Where are you going?” She said, “The same place from where you are coming.” The wife went up and found the mirror. She looked into it and said, “My God! So this is the woman he is after. In his old age, being the father of two dozen children – but I will teach him a lesson. And he is hiding her photograph in my house.” Without a mirror you can’t see your face. The politician has remained dirty, ugly, for the simple reason that he has no mirror. And the mirror is possible only from a higher consciousness. It has to be a mirror of consciousness, no ordinary mirror will do. It is not his physical face . it is his corrupted soul. When the true religion comes of age, religion, without any effort on anybody’s part, will become the light of everybody: of the teacher in the schools, in the colleges, in the universities; of the state, of hospitals. A true religion is bound to to overwhelm all values of life. My effort here is to create an unorganized religion. Hence, I call it religionless religion to emphasize the fact that it is not an organized religion; that I am not your leader, your messiah, your prophet; that I do not bring to you the word of God; that I am not in any way special. These are the ways of the old pseudo-religions. Everyone tries to prove that the founder of his religion is the only true messenger of God. God Himself is a fiction, and from that fiction they go on deriving more and more fictions – the true messenger of God, another fiction. Then the true message from the messenger – another fiction. It becomes so complicated that unless you deny God Himself you cannot deny anything; then you have to follow every detail of the whole superstitious structure. And all these religions prove that their book is written by God … I am not claiming anything; hence you cannot organize a religion around me. I am making every effort to create barriers, hindrances, for those who will try to make a religion organized around my teachings. In the first place it is impossible to find out what my teachings are. Anybody is going to go nuts finding out what my teachings are, because I have not been teaching at all. These are not gospels that I am giving to you, they are simply gossips. Now, have you ever heard of any religion being created around gossips? I am not giving you a message from God. I simply enjoy talking, I love it! In India, my dentist used to tell me, “At least when I am working on your teeth you should stop talking.” Just five minutes work takes two hours! because the poor fellow had to stop. Of course he is my disciple so he could not tell me to stop, to shut up. I say that many times to him while he is doing dentistry – it is, of course, difficult to do dentistry on me – I tell him many times, “Shut up!” If his gas is not running well I tell him, “Hit the cylinder!” And he has to hit it, because I insist, “You hit the cylinder.” And he was surprised that by hitting it, it works. And my dental nurse was also there. I always have a woman in case I need some support – then I cannot rely on a man. So I go on telling her, “Keep an eye on the doctor. Don’t listen to him, listen to me because I am your Master. He is not your Master.” So the poor nurse has to listen to me! They could not talk loudly because I would hear, and they had to talk while I was talking, to discuss what to do – the work had to be done. So they started whispering. I said, “No whispering at all! at least in front of me, no affairs, no whispering. Speak clearly so that I can hear what is going on.” So my dentist was saying, “it takes two hours, three hours.” He said, “You say all kinds of things.” There was a time when he started taking notes – what else to do? “If he insists on talking and and won’t allow me to work, it is better to take notes of of what he is saying – they may be useful later on.” He has compiled a whole book – it will be coming soon. It must be a unique book in the whole history of mankind: a man talking under dentistry, in the dentist’s chair. People want to escape from the dentist’s chair – I enjoy it. I simply love talking. It does not matter what I am talking about. What matters is, that I am talking and you are listening. The essential religion happens there, in my talking and your listening. In that meeting, the essential religion happens. .