The Four Great Discoveries of Modern Science That Prove God Exists – Program 2

The Four Great Discoveries of Modern Science That Prove God Exists – Program 2


>>ANNOUNCER: TODAY, WHAT ARE THE FOUR GREAT DISCOVERIES OF MODERN SCIENCE THAT PROVE GOD EXISTS? THE FIRST GREAT DISCOVERY OF MODERN SCIENCE IS THAT THE UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINNING. WHERE DID IT COME FROM? HISTORIAN OF SCIENCE FRED BURNHAM HAS WRITTEN, “THE GOD HYPOTHESIS IS NOW A MORE PERSUASIVE AND RESPECTABLE HYPOTHESIS THAN AT ANY TIME IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.” THE SECOND GREAT SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY IS THAT SPACE AND TIME ALSO HAD A BEGINNING. THIS DISCOVERY DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION. IT CALLS FOR A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE BEYOND THE UNIVERSE ITSELF. THE THIRD GREAT DISCOVERY OF MODERN SCIENCE IS THAT THE LAWS AND CONSTANTS OF THE UNIVERSE HAVE BEEN FINE TUNED FOR HUMAN LIFE TO EXIST. AS PHYSICIST FRED HOYLE HAS WRITTEN, “A COMMONSENSE INTERPRETATION OF THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS A SUPER INTELLECT HAS MONKEY’D WITH PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY AS WELL AS BIOLOGY TO MAKE LIFE POSSIBLE.” THE FOURTH GREAT DISCOVERY OF MODERN SCIENCE IS THE DIGITAL CODE EMBEDDED IN THE DNA MOLECULE IN EVERY HUMAN CELL. THE 3 BILLION CHARACTERS OF PRECISE INFORMATION IN THE DIGITAL CODE INSTRUCT THE CELL HOW TO BUILD COMPLEX MOLECULES TO DO THE WORK SO THE CELL CAN STAY ALIVE. WHERE DID THIS SPECIFIED INFORMATION COME FROM? IT IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF AN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER FOR THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN LIFE. MY GUEST TODAY WHO WILL EXPLAIN THESE FOUR GREAT SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES IS DR. STEPHEN MEYER, WHO RECEIVED HIS PHD IN THE PHILOSOPHY OF SCIENCE FROM CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY. HE IS CO-FOUNDER OF THE INTELLIGENT DESIGN MOVEMENT IN THE WORLD AND A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE. WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US FOR THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW.>>DR JOHN ANKERBERG: WELCOME TO
OUR PROGRAM, WE’RE TALKING WITH DR. STEPHEN MEYER, PHILOSOPHER
OF SCIENCE, WHO GOT HIS PHD AT CAMBRIDGE, IN ENGLAND.
HE’S WRITTEN A BESTSELLING BOOK SIGNATURE IN THE CELL THAT
WE’VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN PAST PROGRAMS, DNA AND THE EVIDENCE
FOR INTELLIGENT DESIGN. AND HE IS TALKING ABOUT WHERE
DID EVERYTHING COME FROM; WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM? WHAT IS THE LATEST SCIENTIFIC
EVIDENCE AND WHY IS THIS REFUTING THE NEW ATHEISTS AND
THE MATERIALISTIC/NATURALISTIC WORLD-VIEW? STEPHEN, FOR FOLKS
THAT MISSED LAST WEEK, KIND OF SUMMARIZE THAT, AND THEN WE’RE
GOING TO MOVE ON.>>DR STEPHEN MEYER: WELL,
THE STUNNING DISCOVERY OF EARLY 20TH CENTURY COSMOLOGY WAS THAT
THE UNIVERSE HAS A DEFINITE BEGINNING. AND THIS DISCOVERY
WAS MADE AS A RESULT OF AN OBSERVATION THAT WAS FIRST
MADE BY EDWIN HUBBLE, AN ASTRONOMER WHO WAS WORKING IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND HE BEGAN TO WORK IN THE EARLY
1920’S, USING THESE GREAT NEW DOME TELESCOPES THAT WERE BEING
BUILT THEN. THIS IS THE 200 INCH DOME TELESCOPE AT THE PALOMAR
OBSERVATORY ON MT WILSON. HUBBLE WAS USING A TELESCOPE
LIKE THIS THAT WAS ABLE TO CAPTURE LARGE AMOUNTS OF LIGHT
IN THE NIGHT SKY, AND THEREFORE ABLE TO RESOLVE LITTLE TINY
PINPRICKS OF LIGHT AND SHOW THAT THOSE PINPRICKS HAD STRUCTURE. WHAT HE DISCOVERED WAS THAT IN
EVERY DIRECTION OF THE NIGHT SKY THERE WERE GALAXIES, GALAXIES
GALORE. THERE WERE SPINDLE NEBULAE, AND SPIRAL NEBULAE,
AND IN FACT IF YOU ZEROED IN ON ANY SMALL QUADRANT OF THE NIGHT
SKY AND THEN MAGNIFIED THAT, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THERE WERE
GALAXIES JUST LOADED IN ANY LITTLE WINDOW THAT YOU MIGHT
WANT TO LOOK AT. AND SO THAT WAS THE FIRST DISCOVERY. BUT WHAT
WAS EVEN MORE MIND-BLOWING IS THE REALIZATION THAT THESE
GALAXIES ARE MOVING AWAY FROM US. THE FURTHER AWAY THEY ARE,
THE FASTER THEY ARE RECEDING, AND THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE SENSE
OF THAT OBSERVATION WAS TO POSIT THAT THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING,
SOMETHING LIKE A BALLOON IN WHAT’S CALLED A “SPHERICAL
EXPANSION”. AND SO I HAVE A LITTLE VISUAL AID TO REVIEW
WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME – BUT BASICALLY, AS YOU GO
FORWARD IN TIME THE UNIVERSE IS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER
AND BIGGER, LIKE THIS. [BLOWING UP BALLOON] NOW THAT RAISES AN INTERESTING
QUESTION. THIS WAS WHERE IT GOT REALLY INTERESTING. WHAT HAPPENS
… IF THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING AS WE GO FORWARD IN TIME, WHAT
WAS IT LIKE AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST?>>ANKERBERG: GO BACK IN TIME.>>MEYER: AS YOU GO BACK IN TIME. IT’S LIKE THOSE OLD CARTOONS,
YOU KNOW WHEN SUDDENLY THE CARTOON CHARACTER WOULD
START BACKING UP AS THE FILM WAS BEING ROLLED BACKWARDS. WELL,
YOU ROLL THE TIMELINE BACKWARDS OF THE COSMOS, YOU EVENTUALLY
GET BACK TO THE POINT WHERE ALL THE MATTER BEGINS TO CONGEAL
INTO ONE PLACE AND YOU GET THE BEGINNING OF THE EXPANSION
AND IN FACT THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE. NOW, THIS, THIS
OBSERVATION OR THIS CONCLUSION WAS EVENTUALLY REINFORCED BY
EINSTEIN HIMSELF. NOW EINSTEIN DIDN’T LIKE THE CONCLUSION AT
FIRST. ODDLY, HE’D COME TO IT INDEPENDENTLY BECAUSE OF
THE DEVELOPMENT OF HIS THEORY OF GENERAL RELATIVITY – A THEORY OF
GRAVITATION THAT IMPLIED THAT THE UNIVERSE MUST BE EXPANDING
AND DECELERATING, MUCH LIKE THE SHRAPNEL FROM A FIRECRACKER
AS IT BLOWS OUT. BUT OF COURSE, A FIRECRACKER BEGINS WITH
A BANG; THERE IS A BEGINNING POINT. AND EINSTEIN INITIALLY
DIDN’T LIKE THIS CONCLUSION. HE ATTEMPTED TO “FUDGE” IT BY
INTRODUCING AN ARBITRARY VALUE FOR ONE OF THE TERMS IN
HIS EQUATION DESCRIBING THE GRAVITATIONAL FIELD OF
THE UNIVERSE. BUT HE EVENTUALLY CAME TO REALIZE HE WAS WRONG
WHEN HE WAS INVITED OUT TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA BY EDWIN
HUBBLE AND HE WAS BROUGHT TO THE OBSERVATORY IN PASADENA
AND WAS SHOWN WHAT HUBBLE WAS HIMSELF SEEING THROUGH
THE TELESCOPE. HE CAME OUT AFTER A KIND OF STAGED DEMONSTRATION
IN THE TELESCOPE AND ANNOUNCED TO THE MEDIA, “I NOW SEE ZE
NECESSITY OF A BEGINNINK,” IN HIS HEAVY GERMAN ACCENT. HE LATER SAID THAT MISSING
THIS CONCLUSION WAS THE GREATEST MISTAKE OF HIS SCIENTIFIC
CAREER. IN FACT, HE ANTICIPATED IT IN HIS GREAT THEORY BUT
HE ENDED UP TRYING TO FUDGE IT BY ADDING THIS ARBITRARY
MATHEMATICAL VALUE. BUT THAT, THAT HE SAID, WAS THE GREATEST
MISTAKE. SO BY THE EARLY 1930’S YOU HAD TWO POWERFUL STRAINS
OF EVIDENCE AND THEORY THAT WERE CONFIRMING A DEFINITE BEGINNING
TO THE UNIVERSE. AND THAT WAS VERY UPSETTING TO A LOT
OF SCIENTISTS.>>ANKERBERG: WHY WAS IT
UPSETTING?>>MEYER: WELL, ONE OF THE FIRST
SCIENTISTS TO REACT TO WHAT WAS SOON CALLED – WELL, LATER CALLED
THE “BIG BANG THEORY” WAS A MAN NAMED ARTHUR EDDINGTON. HE WAS
A LEADING ASTRO-PHYSICIST IN BRITAIN AT THE TIME,
AND HE JUST FLAT OUT DIDN’T LIKE THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS
A BEGINNING TO THE UNIVERSE. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID “PHILOSOPHICALLY,” HE SAID, “THE NOTION OF A BEGINNING OF THE PRESENT ORDER IS REPUGNANT TO ME. I SHOULD LIKE TO FIND A GENUINE LOOPHOLE. I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE THE PRESENT ORDER OF THINGS STARTED OFF WITH A BANG. THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE IS PREPOSTEROUS.” THEN HE SAID, “IT LEAVES ME COLD.” AND I LOVE THIS QUOTATION BECAUSE EDDINGTON, RIGHT OUT OF
THE CHUTE, TELLS YOU WHAT’S BOTHERING HIM, YOU KNOW, IT’S
NOT… SOMETIMES I JOKE WHEN I’M GIVING PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS
ON THIS. I’LL SAY THAT EDDINGTON’S THEORY WAS WHAT WE
CALL – THE THEORY IN PSYCHOLOGY THAT WE CALL “DENIAL”, YOU KNOW. HE DIDN’T REALLY HAVE ANY GOOD
SCIENTIFIC REASON, IT WAS JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY OFFENSIVE. HE WAS WEDDED TO THIS
19TH CENTURY WORLD-VIEW THAT WE CALL SCIENTIFIC MATERIALISM,
THAT POSITS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS ETERNAL AND SELF-EXISTENT AND IT
HAS NO BEGINNING. AND THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WAS
SHOWING EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE THING AND IT WAS UPSETTING TO
HIM. ANOTHER PHYSICIST EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY
THIS WAS UPSETTING. THIS WAS ROBERT DICKE OF PRINCETON, IN THE 1960’S. AND HE SAYS, “AN INFINITELY OLD UNIVERSE WOULD RELIEVE US OF THE NECESSITY OF UNDERSTANDING THE ORIGIN OF MATTER AT ANY FINITE TIME IN THE PAST.” THAT’S WHAT’S AT STAKE. IF WE HAVE AN INFINITE UNIVERSE WE DON’T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THE UNIVERSE BEGINNING AT A POINT IN TIME AND THEREFORE WE
DON’T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT CAUSED EVERYTHING TO COME INTO
EXISTENCE. WE CAN JUST ASSUME THAT IT WAS ETERNAL AND
SELF-EXISTENT. BUT IF THERE IS A DEFINITE BEGINNING, THEN WE
HAVE ESTABLISHED THE NEED TO EXPLAIN THE UNIVERSE BY
REFERENCE TO SOMETHING BEYOND IT. AND THAT SEEMS TO POINT TO
A NEED FOR A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE, WHICH WAS UNCOMFORTABLY LIKE
THE NOTION OF GOD FOR MANY SCIENTISTS WHO WERE OF THIS KIND
OF MATERIALISTIC OR ATHEISTIC MINDSET. SO THAT’S,
THAT’S THE RUB.>>ANKERBERG: STEPHEN, DEFINE
WHAT A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE IS, OF THE UNIVERSE.>>MEYER: WELL, JUST SIMPLY,
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A CAUSE THAT IS BEYOND THE UNIVERSE ITSELF. IF THE UNIVERSE IS CHARACTERIZED
BY SPACE AND TIME, AND THEN MATTER AND ENERGY WITHIN THAT
SPACE AND TIME, A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE IS SOMETHING THAT IS
BEYOND THOSE DOMAINS THAT WE EXPERIENCE IN THE UNIVERSE. SO WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS
UNLIKE ANY OTHER EVENT. IT’S THE ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING
WE KNOW. IT’S THE ORIGIN OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD ITSELF. SO IF IT COMES INTO EXISTENCE
SUDDENLY FROM NOTHING PHYSICAL, THEN WE HAVE TO EITHER SAY IT
HAPPENED FOR NO REASON AT ALL – IT HAS NO CAUSE, WHICH IS KIND
OF NONSENSICAL – OR ELSE THE CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE COMES
FROM BEYOND IT, FROM THE TRANSCENDENT REALM.>>ANKERBERG: WELL, AND OBVIOUSLY
THE NATURALISTIC, MATERIALISTIC SCIENTISTS DIDN’T LIKE THAT AND
SO THEY DIDN’T LIKE THIS THING OF A, OF A BEGINNING POINT.>>MEYER: WELL, THIS IS VERY
TROUBLING. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A CONFERENCE IN 1985 WHERE I HEARD ALLEN SANDIDGE SPEAK. SANDIDGE WAS FIRST THE STUDENT OF EDWIN HUBBLE AND LATER A VERY PROMINENT COSMOLOGIST AND ASTRONOMER IN HIS OWN RIGHT. HE WAS DEEPLY
INVOLVED IN VERIFYING THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
BY SHOWING THAT EACH OF THE GALAXIES IN ALL DIFFERENT
QUADRANTS OF THE SKY WERE IN FACT RECEDING – WERE MOVING
AWAY. AND WHEN I HEARD HIM SPEAK HE WAS DESCRIBING THE EVIDENCE
FOR THE BIG BANG, FOR THE DEFINITE ORIGIN OF
THE UNIVERSE IN TIME, AND HE SAID THIS: “HERE IS
EVIDENCE.” HE LOOKED INTO THE CAMERA WITH THIS VERY
GRITTY KIND OF DETERMINATION. HE WASN’T EXACTLY HAPPY ABOUT
THIS WHEN HE WAS FIRST DISCOVERING IT, APPARENTLY. AND HE SAYS, “HERE IS EVIDENCE
FOR WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS A SUPERNATURAL EVENT.” WHAT HE MEANT WAS THIS EVENT
COULD … POINTS TO A CAUSE THAT LIES BEYOND NATURE, BECAUSE
NATURE IS WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. NATURE IS WHAT HAS
BEEN BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE. AND HE GOES ONTO SAY, “THERE IS
NO WAY THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREDICTED OR EXPLAINED FROM
WITHIN THE REALM OF PHYSICS AS WE KNOW IT. IT’S POINTING
BEYOND PHYSICS.” AND THAT’S …>>ANKERBERG: THAT’S QUITE
A STATEMENT RIGHT THERE.>>MEYER: IT’S AN INCREDIBLE
STATEMENT. AND IT ROCKED MY WORLD WHEN I FIRST HEARD HIM
TALK ABOUT THIS. HE ACTUALLY WAS A LONG-TIME AGNOSTIC WHO HAD
COME TO BELIEF IN GOD BECAUSE OF, NOT IN SPITE OF,
THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.>>ANKERBERG: TALK ABOUT
ROBERT JASTROW.>>MEYER: WELL, IT’S ANOTHER,
ANOTHER GUY IN THE FIELD OF ASTRONOMY AND COSMOLOGY THAT
SAW THE THEISTIC IMPLICATIONS OF THESE NEW DISCOVERIES.
HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED, GOD AND THE ASTRONOMERS. THERE’S A FAMOUS PASSAGE AT THE END OF HIS BOOK WHERE HE, HE KIND OF SUMS UP
THE DILEMMA THAT MANY SCIENTISTS FELT AS A RESULT
OF THE EVIDENCE FOR A DEFINITE BEGINNING. HE SAID, “THIS IS
AN EXCEEDINGLY STRANGE DEVELOPMENT, UNEXPECTED BY ALL
BUT THE THEOLOGIANS,” HE SAYS. “THEY HAVE ALWAYS ACCEPTED
THE WORD OF THE BIBLE, ‘IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH’. IT IS SO UNEXPECTED BECAUSE
SCIENCE HAS HAD SUCH EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS IN TRACING
THE CHAIN OF CAUSE AND EFFECT BACK IN TIME.” BUT THEN YOU GET
TO THIS BEGINNING POINT. AND THERE HE SAYS, YOU KNOW,
IT’S LIKE A BAD DREAM. HE SAYS, “THE STORY ENDS LIKE
A BAD DREAM. THE SCIENTIST HAS SCALED THE MOUNTAINS OF
IGNORANCE, HE IS ABOUT TO CONQUER THE HIGHEST PEAK,
AND AS HE PULLS HIM UP OVER THE, OVER THE FINAL ROCK HE IS
GREETED BY A BAND OF THEOLOGIANS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING THERE FOR
CENTURIES.” SO THERE’S THIS KIND OF IRONIC TWIST TO THE END OF
IT – THE THEOLOGIANS ANTICIPATING WHAT THE SCIENTIST
IN THE END DISCOVERED; THAT THE UNIVERSE HAD A DEFINITE
BEGINNING. AND IT WAS VERY UPSETTING TO MANY,
MANY SCIENTISTS.>>ANKERBERG: ALRIGHT. WE’RE
GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE’RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT MORE OF THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. WE’RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT STEVEN HAWKING AND HIS AMAZING DISCOVERIES,
THAT EVEN LAYS THIS IN CEMENT EVEN FURTHER. SO STICK WITH US –
WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.>>ANNOUNCER: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION IN OUR SERIES, THE FOUR GREAT DISCOVERIES OF MODERN SCIENCE THAT PROVE GOD EXISTS, WITH DR. STEPHEN MEYER, IT IS AVAILABLE ON DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49. AND YOU MAY ORDER THIS SERIES NOW BY CALLING US AT 1-800-805-3030.>>ANKERBERG: ALL RIGHT, WE’RE
BACK. WE’RE TALKING TO DR. STEPHEN MEYER, PHILOSOPHER
OF SCIENCE. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED
ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. AND WE’VE TALKED
ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE UNIVERSE HAD A BEGINNING. IT’S BEEN LAID
IN CEMENT, ALMOST, BY THE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES
COMING UP TO OUR TIME. THEN, THERE IS ANOTHER FELLOW BY THE NAME OF STEVEN HAWKING. HE WAS AT CAMBRIDGE AS WELL, AND HE CAME OUT WITH SOME MORE EVIDENCE. WHAT DID HE SAY?>>MEYER: WELL, IN 1968, STEVEN
HAWKING SOLVED WHAT ARE CALLED THE “FIELD EQUATIONS OF GENERAL
RELATIVITY,” EINSTEIN’S FAMOUS EQUATIONS. I POPPED THEM ON
THE SCREEN HERE. THERE’S EINSTEIN NEXT TO HIS FAMOUS
EQUATION. WHAT HAWKING SHOWED IS THAT AS YOU GO BACK IN TIME,
YOU EVENTUALLY REACH A POINT WHERE WHAT’S CALLED
THE CURVATURE OF SPACE – OR THE CURVATURE OF “SPACE-TIME”
AS THE PHYSICISTS REFER TO IT – GETS SO TIGHT THAT IT IS
INFINITELY TIGHT. OKAY? SO IF YOU THINK OF THE MASS OF
THE UNIVERSE CONGEALING AS YOU ARE CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE
BEGINNING, THEN YOU HAVE SPACE CURVING TIGHTER AND TIGHTER
AS A RESULT OF THAT MASS. THAT’S THE THEORY OF GENERAL
RELATIVITY. NOW, WHAT HAWKING SHOWED IS THAT AT SOME POINT
IN THE FINITE PAST YOU REACH A POINT WHERE THE CURVATURE
OF SPACE IS SO TIGHT IT’S INFINITELY TIGHT.
THAT’S A CIRCLE SO TIGHT IT HAS NO VOLUME. AND… NOW ASK
YOURSELF A QUESTION: (I USED TO ASK MY STUDENTS THIS QUESTION.) HOW MUCH STUFF CAN YOU PUT IN ZERO SPATIAL VOLUME? HOW MUCH STUFF CAN YOU…WELL, OBVIOUSLY, NO STUFF GOES IN NO SPACE. YOU CAN SEE THEREFORE, THAT THE “BIG BANG THEORY” AS IT’S CONJOINED WITH
GENERAL RELATIVITY TO BE A DESCRIPTION OF THE UNIVERSE
AS A WHOLE, IMPLIES NOT ONLY THAT THERE’S A BEGINNING IN TIME
BUT THERE IS ALSO A BEGINNING TO SPACE ITSELF. AND WITH THAT
A PLACE, A POINT WHERE THERE IS NO MATTER, NO ENERGY; WHERE
EVERYTHING FROM THAT POINT FORWARD COMES INTO EXISTENCE
FROM LITERALLY NOTHING PHYSICAL. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE MODERN
SCIENTIFIC DESCRIPTION OF THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE IS
REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO AN OLD MEDIEVAL DOCTRINE –
AND OLD IDEA THAT THE UNIVERSE WAS, WAS CREATED “EX NIHILO”; OUT OF NOTHING
PHYSICAL. THE UNIVERSE LITERALLY POPS INTO EXISTENCE OUT OF
NOTHING PHYSICAL. THAT’S THE IMPLICATION OF HAWKING’S
SOLUTION TO THESE KEY EQUATIONS OF GENERAL RELATIVITY.>>ANKERBERG: ALL RIGHT, STEPHEN,
THESE WERE MIND-BLOWING CONCLUSIONS. WHAT WERE THE BIG
IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT STEVEN HAWKING WAS TALKING ABOUT?>>MEYER: WELL, STEVEN HAWKING
AND THE WHOLE REVOLUTION IN COSMOLOGY THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE,
WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT EVIDENCES THAT HAVE POINTED TO A DEFINITE
BEGINNING FOR THE UNIVERSE, I THINK POINT TO THE NEED FOR
A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE OF SOME KIND – AGAIN, A CAUSE BEYOND
THE UNIVERSE ITSELF. AND THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE PHYSICISTS
HAVE SENSED – THIS IS WHAT HAS MADE THEM INCENSED ABOUT
THE DISCOVERIES IN THE NEW COSMOLOGY POINTING TO A DEFINITE
BEGINNING. BUT EVERY GREAT WORLD-VIEW HAS TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION: “WHAT IS THE THING OR THE ENTITY FROM
WHICH EVERYTHING ELSE COMES?” AS YOU LOOK AT THE “BIG BANG
SINGULARITY”, AS IT’S CALLED – THE BEGINNING POINT OF TIME AND SPACE AND MATTER AND ENERGY, AND YOU ASK YOURSELF WHICH OF THE GREAT SYSTEMS OF THOUGHT (THE GREAT WORLD-VIEWS) CAN EXPLAIN THAT, YOU REALIZE RIGHT AWAY THERE’S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THE MATERIALISTIC WORLD-VIEW, THE ONE WE’VE INHERITED FROM
19TH CENTURY SCIENCE – BECAUSE MATERIALISM FIRST OF ALL AFFIRMS
THAT THE UNIVERSE IS INFINITE IN TIME. RIGHT AWAY, THE BIG BANG REFUTES THAT. BUT BEYOND THAT, IT AFFIRMS THAT MATTER IS THE THING FROM WHICH EVERYTHING ELSE COMES. YET IF YOU TAKE STEVEN HAWKING’S DISCOVERY SERIOUSLY, YOU REALIZE THAT IF
YOU GO BACK FAR ENOUGH IN TIME YOU HAVE AN INFINITELY TIGHT
CURVATURE TO SPACE, WHICH CORRESPONDS TO NO SPATIAL
VOLUME, AND THEREFORE NO, THERE’S NOWHERE TO PUT
ANY STUFF. THERE IS NO MATTER IN THE EARLY
PHASE OF THE UNIVERSE. IT COMES INTO EXISTENCE SUDDENLY FROM
NOTHING PHYSICAL. AND THEREFORE THE MATERIALISTIC WORLD-VIEW
CAN’T REFER TO ANYTHING AS A CAUSE THAT CAN ACCOUNT FOR
THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. THE MATERIALISTIC WORLD-VIEW
SAYS THAT MATTER IS THE END-ALL AND BE-ALL, THE THING FROM WHICH
EVERYTHING ELSE COMES. BUT MATTER COMES INTO EXISTENCE. IT’S THE FIRST EFFECT, BUT IT IS
NOT THE CAUSE OF THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE ITSELF. SO THAT’S
A BIG PROBLEM. PANTHEISM, THE EASTERN WORLD-VIEW, ALSO
HAS A PROBLEM EXPLAINING THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE FROM
NOTHING PHYSICAL, BECAUSE PANTHEISM AFFIRMS THAT GOD
IS NOT A PERSON. GOD IS KIND OF THE MYSTICAL UNITY THAT BINDS
ALL OF THE MATERIAL UNIVERSE TOGETHER, AND GOD AND MATTER
ARE LINKED – THEY ARE CO-EXTENSIVE. GOD IS IN THE FLOWERS AND IN THE TREES; HE’S IN OUR BODIES; HE’S IN THE MOUNTAINS; GOD AND MATTER ARE, ARE “CO-EXTENSIVE” IS
THE PHILOSOPHICAL WORD.>>ANKERBERG: GOD IS ALL AND
ALL IS GOD.>>MEYER: EXACTLY. BUT IF YOU
GO BACK FAR ENOUGH AND THERE’S NO MATTER …>>ANKERBERG: THERE’S NO GOD.>>MEYER: THERE’S NO GOD. IN BOTH
CASES, WITH THE MATERIALISTIC WORLD-VIEW AND THE PANTHEISTIC
WORLD-VIEW, THERE IS NO ENTITY SEPARATE FROM THE UNIVERSE
ITSELF THAT CAN BE INVOKED TO BRING THE UNIVERSE INTO
EXISTENCE – TO ACT AS A CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE ITSELF. AND THAT’S
WHERE
I THINK
THAT SOME KIND OF
WORLD-VIEW
THAT INVOKES A
TRANSCENDENT
CAUSE,
LIKE DEISM OR THEISM
– TWO
WORLD-VIEWS THAT HOLD
THAT THERE
IS A GOD SEPARATE
FROM
THE UNIVERSE THAT BROUGHT
THE UNIVERSE
INTO
EXISTENCE – ARE THE ONLY KIND OF WORLD-VIEWS THAT CAN REALLY ACCOUNT FOR THIS EVIDENCE. AND SO DEISM IS THE IDEA THAT
GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND THEN HAS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
IT EVER SINCE. BUT GOD IS STILL SEPARATE FROM THE UNIVERSE. THEISM IS THE IDEA THAT GOD
CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND HAS BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN
THE UNIVERSE EVER SINCE. BUT BOTH OF THOSE WORLD-VIEWS
POSIT THE EXISTENCE OF AN ENTITY THAT IS SEPARATE FROM
THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, AND THEREFORE THEY HAVE WHAT
PHILOSOPHERS CALL THE “CAUSAL POWER” TO EXPLAIN THE UNIVERSE
AS A WHOLE. THEY POSIT AN ENTITY WHICH HAS THE CAPABILITY OF
BRINGING THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE OUT OF NOTHING
PHYSICAL. PANTHEISM AND MATERIALISM CAN’T DO THAT. THEREFORE, I THINK THE NEW
DISCOVERIES OF MODERN COSMOLOGY HAVE INCREDIBLE IMPLICATIONS
FOR THESE BIG PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
DEBATING ALL THE WAY BACK SINCE THE ANCIENT GREEKS – IS
THE UNIVERSE FINITE OR INFINITE? AND WHAT’S THE THING FROM WHICH
EVERYTHING ELSE CAME? MIND, A POWER BEYOND THE UNIVERSE,
OR MATTER?>>ANKERBERG: STEPHEN, THIS WOULD
SOUND LIKE AN IRON-CLAD CASE. OKAY, WHAT’S THE MAIN OBJECTION
THAT HAS BEEN RAISED AGAINST THIS?>>MEYER: WELL THE MAIN OBJECTION
COMES FROM A THEORY CALLED “QUANTUM COSMOLOGY”, AND IT’S BASED ON THE OBSERVATION THAT AS THE UNIVERSE GOES BACK FAR ENOUGH IN TIME, IT EVENTUALLY WOULD GET THE POINT WHERE IT WAS SMALL ENOUGH TO BE DESCRIBED BY THE EQUATIONS OF QUANTUM MECHANICS. I OFTEN REFER TO IT AS THE PHYSICS OF THE VERY
WEIRD, WHERE, WHERE THE SMALLEST THINGS ACT LIKE BOTH WAVES AND
PARTICLES. THERE ARE SOME MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS THAT
DESCRIBE VERY TINY PARTS OF MATTER AND THE WAY THEY –
AND THE STRANGE PROPERTIES THAT THEY HAVE. AND WHEN THE UNIVERSE
IS SMALL ENOUGH, THESE EQUATIONS WOULD APPLY TO THE UNIVERSE AS
A WHOLE. SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE POSITED THAT IF,WHEN WE GET
A THEORY OF HOW GRAVITY WORKS AT THAT LEVEL, IT MIGHT SUPPLANT
EINSTEIN’S GENERAL RELATIVITY AND WE MAY GET RID OF
THE SINGULARITY. NOW THE FIRST THING YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAT
WE DON’T HAVE A THEORY OF QUANTUM GRAVITY; SO WE HAVE
NO GOOD REASON TO THINK THAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY GET RID
OF THE SINGULARITY – THE BEGINNING POINT. BUT BEYOND
THAT, THE QUANTUM COSMOLOGY POSITS THAT IN THE VERY TINIEST
FIRST MICRO-, MICRO-, MICRO-, MILLISECONDS OF THE UNIVERSE,
THAT THE UNIVERSE IS EXISTING AS A KIND OF OSCILLATING,
A-TEMPORAL WAVE FUNCTION. THIS IS TECHNICAL PHYSICS TALK,
BUT IT’S A, IT’S A TIMELESS, NON-ISOLATING WAVE FUNCTION.>>ANKERBERG: LIKE IN LIMBO.>>MEYER: YEAH, LIKE IT’S IN
LIMBO – SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE EQUATION
OF QUANTUM MECHANICS IS DESCRIBING IS THE DIFFERENT POSSIBLE GEOMETRIES OR GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS THAT MIGHT HAVE EXISTED IN THAT EARLY NON-TIME BEFORE THE UNIVERSE BEGAN IN TIME. IT’S A STRANGE WAY TO THINK OF IT. BUT THERE’S A BIG PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO USE THIS TO GET
AROUND THE SINGULAR BEGINNING. FIRST OF ALL, WE DON’T HAVE
A THEORY OF QUANTUM GRAVITY. BUT SECONDLY, THE EQUATION OF
QUANTUM MECHANICS THAT DESCRIBES THIS EARLY MYSTERIOUS STATE IS
ACTUALLY DESCRIBING MULTIPLE POSSIBLE STATES OF AFFAIRS THAT
MIGHT EXIST; MULTIPLE POSSIBLE GEOMETRIES OR GRAVITATIONAL
FIELDS. OUR UNIVERSE HAS ONE GEOMETRY AND ONE TYPE OF
GRAVITATIONAL FIELD. SO TO GET FROM THAT STATE DESCRIBED
BY THE QUANTUM EQUATION TO THE UNIVERSE WE HAVE, SOMETHING
HAS TO – WHAT THEY CALL “COLLAPSE THE WAVE PACKET”
GET RID OF ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND ACTUALIZE ONE. AND IN
THE STANDARD “COPENHAGEN INTERPRETATION OF QUANTUM
MECHANICS”, WHAT COLLAPSES THE WAVE PACKET, THE THING THAT
ACTUALIZES POSSIBILITIES INTO ONE, IS ALWAYS AN OBSERVATION,
WHICH IS MADE BY A MIND – A PERSON. SO EVEN IF YOU INVOKE
THIS COSMOLOGICAL MODEL, YOU ACTUALLY END UP POSITING
THE NEED, INADVERTENTLY, FOR A COSMIC OBSERVER.>>ANKERBERG: YOU STILL NEED ONE.>>MEYER: WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY
THE SAME THING AS GOD. I MEAN, ONLY GOD HAS THOSE KINDS
OF CAPACITIES. THE OTHER OPTION – AND IF YOU DON’T GO WITH
THE COPENHAGEN MODEL – YOU’VE GOT OTHER PROBLEMS WHICH IS
BASICALLY YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CAUSE THAT BRINGS
THE DEFINITE UNIVERSE THAT WE HAVE INTO EXISTENCE FROM
AN IMMATERIAL, A-TEMPORAL STATE INVOLVING MANY POSSIBILITIES. THERE’S NO EXPLANATION FOR GOING
FROM THE TIMELESS TO THE TEMPORAL; NO EXPLANATION FOR
GOING FROM THE IMMATERIAL – THIS IS JUST A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION,
THAT’S ALL IT IS – TO A REAL UNIVERSE THAT HAS MATTER AND
ENERGY AND STUFF; AND THERE’S NO EXPLANATION FOR THE INFUSION OF
INFORMATION THAT’S INVOLVED IN GOING FROM ALL THAT RANGE OF
POSSIBILITIES TO AN ACTUALIZED UNIVERSE. BECAUSE YOU’RE IN
A SENSE PRESENTED WITH A RANGE OF CHOICES AND YOU’RE CHOOSING
ONE. THAT’S AN IMPARTATION OF INFORMATION AND THAT’S
COMPLETELY UNEXPLAINED. SO THIS QUANTUM COSMOLOGICAL MODEL
EITHER INVOKES A COSMIC OBSERVER OR IT REQUIRES AN UNEXPLAINED
TRANSITION FROM TIME TO… FROM NO TIME TO TIME, FROM NO MATTER TO MATTER,
AND AN UNEXPLAINED INFUSION OF INFORMATION. THAT SOUNDS
LIKE, AGAIN, DESIGN.>>ANKERBERG: ALL RIGHT, WE’RE
GOING TO CONTINUE THIS, FOLKS. IF YOU FIND THIS FASCINATING,
LIKE I DO, NEXT WEEK WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP OF
THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE SEEN THROUGH THE TELESCOPE
AND THAT’S THE FINE-TUNING OF THE UNIVERSE, AND HOW THIS PLAYS
INTO THE EQUATION. IT’S ADDING EVIDENCE ON TOP OF EVIDENCE FOR
A THEISTIC CONCLUSION OF WHERE EVERYTHING CAME FROM.
YOU WON’T WANT TO MISS THAT, SO PLEASE JOIN US NEXT WEEK.>>ANNOUNCER: STAY TUNED FOR SCENES FROM NEXT WEEK’S PROGRAM.>>ANNOUNCER: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN OUR NEW SERIES, THE FOUR GREAT DISCOVERIES OF MODERN SCIENCE THAT PROVE GOD EXISTS, WITH DR. STEPHEN MEYER, IT IS AVAILABLE ON DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49. YOU WILL LEARN HOW SCIENTISTS HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THE UNIVERSE HAD A DEFINITE BEGINNING, A DISCOVERY THAT VERIFIES THE BIBLICAL STATEMENT: “IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.” HOW SPACE AND TIME ALSO HAD A BEGINNING, A DISCOVERY THAT DEMANDS A TRANSCENDENT CAUSE BEYOND THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE ITSELF. A CAUSE WHICH CHRISTIANS CALL GOD. HOW THE UNIVERSE HAS BEEN FINE-TUNED FOR HUMAN LIFE TO EXIST. AND HOW DESIGN HAS BEEN BUILT INTO THE VERY FABRIC OF THE LAWS AND CONSTANTS OF PHYSICS. AND HOW THE DIGITAL CODE IN THE DNA MOLECULE OF EVERY HUMAN CELL IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF AN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER FOR THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN LIFE. ALL FOUR TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN THIS IMPORTANT SERIES ARE AVAILABLE ON DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49. THEN SECOND, OUR SERIES, DOES THE NEW SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF LIFE PUT AN END TO DARWINIAN EVOLUTION? ALSO WITH DR. STEPHEN MEYER. IN THIS SERIES YOU WILL LEARN HOW THE HUMAN CELL IS COMPLEX BEYOND BELIEF, A VERITABLE MICRO-MINIATURIZED FACTORY, CONTAINING THOUSANDS OF EXQUISITELY DESIGNED PIECES OF MOLECULAR MACHINERY. HOW THE 3 BILLION CHARACTERS OF PRECISE DIGITAL CODE EMBEDDED IN THE DNA MOLECULE, IS COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF AN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER FOR THE ORIGIN OF HUMAN LIFE. ALL FIVE TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN THIS SERIES ARE AVAILABLE ON DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49. AND THIRD, WE HAVE WRITTEN TWO NEW STUDY GUIDES WITH EXTENSIVE NOTES THAT PARALLELS EACH OF OUR TELEVISION SERIES WITH DR. MEYER. THEY ARE AVAILABLE FOR A GIFT OF $8 EACH OR FOR FIVE OR MORE COPIES, FOR $5 EACH. FOURTH, WE ARE MAKING AVAILABLE 3 BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENTARY FILMS. FIRST, UNLOCKING THE MYSTERY OF LIFE, WHICH WILL TRANSPORT YOU BY STATE-OF-THE-ART COMPUTER ANIMATION INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE TRILLIONS OF CELLS IN OUR BODIES, TO SHOW YOU THE SYSTEMS AND MACHINES THAT ARE PRESENT AND BEAR THE UNMISTAKABLE HALLMARKS OF GOD’S DESIGN. SECOND, THE HOUR LONG FILM DOCUMENTARY, THE PRIVILEGED PLANET, WHICH WILL SHOW YOU HOW THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE PRECISELY “FINE-TUNED” FOR THE EXISTENCE OF LIFE. WHY EARTH’S ENVIRONMENT PROVIDES A DELICATE, AND EXCEEDINGLY RARE, CRADLE FOR COMPLEX LIFE, AND POINTS TO A UNIVERSE THAT IS DESIGNED BY GOD. THIRD, THE DOCUMENTARY FILM, DARWIN’S DILEMMA, WHICH EXPLORES THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION OF PLANTS AND ANIMALS. WHERE ARE THE MISSING TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS AND LINKS THAT DARWIN POSTULATED SHOULD BE IN THE FOSSIL RECORD? CAN ANY NATURALISTIC, EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS EXPLAIN THIS STARTLING EXPLOSION OF EARLY PLANT AND ANIMAL LIFE, OR DOES THE CAMBRIAN FOSSIL RECORD POINT UNMISTAKABLY TO PURPOSE AND INTELLIGENT DESIGN. THE 3 DOCUMENTARY MOVIES ARE AVAILABLE FOR A GIFT OF $45. AND FINALLY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THE MATERIALS MENTIONED TODAY, INCLUDING THE 2 TELEVISION SERIES, PLUS THE 2 STUDY GUIDES, PLUS THE 3 DOCUMENTARY MOVIES, ALL OF THESE MATERIALS TOGETHER ARE AVAILABLE IN A SPECIAL PACKAGE FOR ONLY $129. AND YOU MAY ORDER THIS SPECIAL PACKAGE NOW BY CALLING US AT 1-800-805-3030. THAT’S 1-800-805-3030. OR YOU MAY ORDER THESE PROGRAMS AT OUR WEBSITE AT JASHOW.ORG.>>ANNOUNCER: NEXT WEEK ON THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW:>>MEYER: FRED HOYLE, THE FAMOUS BRITISH ASTROPHYSICIST SAYS THAT, “A COMMON-SENSE INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT A SUPER-INTELLECT HAS MONKEYED WITH PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY, AS WELL AS BIOLOGY, TO MAKE LIFE POSSIBLE.” I THINK HOYLE IS EXACTLY RIGHT HERE.

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